waker92

Lets talk “quick upgrades”

This is the perceived “golden ticket” to many prospective hires. And on the flip side of that is undeniably the strongest “flame bait” for contributors to the forum, and for good reason. Relatively unexperienced pilots looking to surpass the more experienced long term FO’s throughout the industry, which can seem disrespectful as the “job shoppers” do not seem willing to pay their dues, and assume they can be captains before they've even flown at any airline.

But in all fairness, I think that people are just in search of the place with the most opportunity for movement within the company, and fear being seat locked. Granted this is not the only important factor for pilots, as pay, bases, benefits, schedule and other factors all play in to the general QOL picture we are all trying to maximize.

That all being said I do not think many would disagree that between all the benefits we want to have as pilots (pay, bases, benefits, schedule, QOL, opportunity for growth, etc.), we have to pick and choose which are most important and move from their to find an operator that can accommodate. Unfortunately this will be at the expense of the other so called “luxuries” previously listed.

Not to offend anyone here, but speaking strictly in terms of upgrade time, and ability to move where is looking like the spot. I know some places like PSA, and Envoy are advertising a short upgrade, but it can take people months and months just to get through training wait times, as well as street captains being in the mix, as well as stories of very long reserve times *(This is not meant to be a PSA bashing, but just using some context)* (I am not claiming to be an expert, but these are just things I have read here)

Piedmont and Compass are also saying fast upgrade times, but usually things that seem to good to be true are, so whats really the deal here. Why don't we just throw some people a bone here and address this upgrade thing.

I don’t know if it is just me on here but it seems like the curse of options is upon many of us. Because it seems like we have the pick of the litter, it’s leaving pilots bouncing back and forth on making decisions, and often times seemingly uninformed ones.

Ready…. GO!

jetn67

12 months ago I would have
recommended PSA but PDT has the better deal
Now ..We lost about 25 FOs
This month and quite a few
went over to PDT..

waker92

how long does anyone expect for this to last? It seems that as soon as somewhere is identified as a mover and shaker it seems to be too late to go there as it is already saturated.

FAAGoldSealCFI

The people I worked with CFI'ing who are at CPZ say that the fast upgrade is long gone and most of the current captains are really new (inexperienced) they are now are looking elsewhere due to the low pay and middle of the road work rules. Is anyone else hearing this?

snippercr

First two misconceptions are that hitting 1000 hours PIC turbine time is your ticket out of the regionals and that regionals should be treated as a " get in, do your time, and get out" type of thing. If that really was the case, there would be no CAs at regionals with more than 1000 hours. Ask yourself this, how many CAs does your airline have with CAs over 1000 hours TPIC time.
Misconception number two is the time it took a guy to upgrade today is how long it will take a new hire today.

RawHide

You have missed the boat at psa and cpz. The people who got the quick upgrade went to these places when there was talk of quick upgrades in the future but none yet. Places like pdt and Envoy have current potential. Noone can predict the future, you have to decide where you think the most potential is, and who has a contract you can live with if you miss.

AlaskaBound

sucks you got rejected by Compass now you're on a hate binge. Republic doesn't even want you. I'm making more money at CPZ and have a better QOL with CPZ then I did with 9E... so CPZ isn't bad at all. But your question isn't honest or sincere and you know it's not true. You're a true troll and I hate that I just fed you. Now you're over on the Mesa thread trolling away but even they won't want to hire someone like you. Stick with CFI'ing since you're of the gold sealed kind.

Quick upgrades is in the eye of the beholder. Quick upgrade to me back in the day was 7 years or less. Quick to someone these days with previous 121 time and 1000 121 time would be a few months after initial.

Quick (Average) upgrade will be 1-2 years after all is said and done.

FAAGoldSealCFI

compass had been calling me non stop since i submitted, I dont think im going ot call them back

you sound like an angry guy, glad I wont be sharing a cockpit with you anytime soon. my sources say otherwise.

Lvlng4Spd

At PDT the upgrade should stay right around a year or so for at least another year or more. It is limited of course by accumulating the 1000 121 sic first. We are adding aircraft and not retiring all that many in that time. Of course, if you have prior 121, it could mean a very short time as FO soon. If they add more than 20 aircraft (likely) the short upgrade and also short reserve times will go on awhile.

AlaskaBound

I'm super happy. You couldn't make it through training if you tried so there's no chance I'd see you on the line anyway. Attitude will ruin your career and you're right on track! Keep it up. You have no sources btw. You're a wannabe and that'll never change.

Shut this thread down already.