Then perhaps you should choose a profession that pays well. You may think you are superman, but you are not. You must be a union guy, a dieing breed. I like you guys that think if it wasn't for rich guys and kids wanting to work, then "hard" working guys like yourself could get rich. You must be a democrat. Ever wonder why some people are successful in life? I'm sure you attribute it all to fate, luck, timing etc. Some people blame others for their position in life, others take control of their destiny. Keep blaming others for your fate, and you will have settled for the fate others have set for you.

 

I'm a republican and believe in hard work...and believe me I'd be p!ssed if I was busting my balls to get better pay only to have the guy next to me that already made enough to retire saying "Eh...it doesn't really matter to me so it must not mean anything to you"

 

That you should not strive to improve your pay. Your implication that I am somehow a "scab" in union parlance, because I can get by on the starting wage at a regional, just verifies what I am saying. You guys act like someone put a gun to your head and said "you will be an airline pilot" I have a lot of respect for pilots, I am one, though evidently some of you think you are elevated to god like status once you put on a uniform. It is a free country last time I checked, I thought people hired you because they needed you, not because out of the kindness of their hearts they wanted to give you a job. What pay I choose to work for is my business, not yours. You remind me of a friend who is a school teacher, has a masters degree, unlike many pilots. He constantly complains about teachers salaries. I want to ask him, why did you become a teacher, you knew going in what they made? I hate to break it to some of you, but the days of the $350,000 per year captains pay with $1,000,000.00 retirement packages are gone. Hate to be the one to break it to you. You better like what you are doing, because all the finger pointing and excuse making in the world won't change that.

 

The industry is what it is. Please trust me on this, if you go in there running your mouth about how the low pay is just great people WILL ABSOLUTELY HATE YOU AND DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MAKE YOU MISERABLE.

 

That you should not strive to improve your pay. Your implication that I am somehow a "scab" in union parlance, because I can get by on the starting wage at a regional, just verifies what I am saying. You guys act like someone put a gun to your head and said "you will be an airline pilot" I have a lot of respect for pilots, I am one, though evidently some of you think you are elevated to god like status once you put on a uniform. It is a free country last time I checked, I thought people hired you because they needed you, not because out of the kindness of their hearts they wanted to give you a job. What pay I choose to work for is my business, not yours. You remind me of a friend who is a school teacher, has a masters degree, unlike many pilots. He constantly complains about teachers salaries. I want to ask him, why did you become a teacher, you knew going in what they made? I hate to break it to some of you, but the days of the $350,000 per year captains pay with $1,000,000.00 retirement packages are gone. Hate to be the one to break it to you. You better like what you are doing, because all the finger pointing and excuse making in the world won't change that.

 

I think the moral of the story is this: Do (vote) what's best for the pilot group as a whole - not yourself. During our contract negotiations in '04 at XJT, I knew of several guys that either didn't need the money or would only be at the company for a minimal time under the contract because of retirement. Out of curiousity, I would ask them about what they thought of the TA. They all said that it didn't matter to them so they would either abstain from voting because they didn't feel it was fair for them to influence the vote or they'd vote with the majority.

Bottom line is just because a few people can/want/don't mind working under a lesser contract when a superior contract is attainable, do what's best for the whole pilot group.

 

I understand your point, totally. I guess my point is that I find it somewhat hypocritical that some of these guys like BASSLAYER are actually upset that others are willing to take a job a low entry level salary, when they did the very same thing. I think the starting pay is ridiculous, but I know that going in. BASSLAYER just seems like he is automatically resentful of any older pilots who may have been successful elsewhere, and are wanting to pursue a new career in "his" industry.

 

Yeah, what he said.

 

anybody off the top of their head know the requirements for bridge programs.. I can just ask my school but a friend did and they did'nt really say anything

 

I think it varies for each school. Your school must have an agreement with Eagle HR. I have no idea if ERAU does and/or what the requirements are for them. I'm sure they must work with you guys, press a little harder on your dept manager.