Skyvector

It's not negative...no more than a boy throwing rocks at a girl he has a crush on is negative. Envoy provides the biggest target for cheap hate from people at other regionals who wish us to fail. This isn't anything new.

It's frustrating for some people to look at themselves doing everything they can to get hired at mainline only to hear crickets...then look at Envoy and know that everyone there has already been hired by AA. It makes them angry at their own situation and the only thing they can cling to is the false hope that maybe, somehow Envoy pilots won't flow.

FlameNSky

Go get 'em big guy! You make those evil managers pay for what they did to you. And despite what 8 out of 10 Psychologists might say, what you're doing here isn't crazy at all.

RyanP

Here you go, charts from recent hiring:

How long will it take a new hire to get 3500-4000+ TPIC to become competitive? 1.5-2.5 years to for the required upgrade time including not flying much on reserve as a new hire. Then another 5-6 years or so assuming a year of reserve as a captain then 800 hours a year building TPIC after that = 6-8 years at least if things go perfectly and you upgrade as fast as possible.

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RyanP

American Airlines, I can't find the 2016 list right now, but it's was about 50% flow, 40% military last I saw

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eaglefly

Oh yes, I was terribly persecuted.

RyanP

Southwest

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RyanP

United: Average flight hours on graph are skewed lower due to all the low time MIL pilots bringing the average down. Average competitive time for civilian is still around 7000TT, 3000 TPIC according to the recruiter.

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eaglefly

Interesting info. But, a large number of captains at current non AAG WO regionals have that time as they been captains in this market for years. As the military dies up (which is happening rapidly already according a recent article I just read), more of these pilots will be going not just to Delta, but UAL, some to the likes of SWA, FedEx/UPS and even a few to LCC's. That's a lot of movement at other regionals. Since few of them will be going to AA since it staffs primarily from the flows and most Envoy pilots aren't going to jump ship if they already are a captain and waiting to flow, that means overall, it's likely to be a slower progression to AA, already claimed to be about 6 years. If Envoy continues to attract only a handful of pilots monthly as time goes on, it contracts putting further pressure on the flow to slow.

Although colorful, I don't think this graph is truly telling others what you want it to, Just my .02............

RyanP

Will be 119 flows YTD by 4/19 class. More guys just got awarded today, making 30 more flows for April.

This is Envoys previous month chart
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RyanP

How long have we all been reading this military pool drying up article? I have been reading and hearing that same story literally for 15 years now. Classes still FULL of MIL every month. Major forums still have a ton of MIL guys asking questions about jobs. Guys still joining regularly. I have 3 friends that just got ANG slots this year and 3 more friends as well last year too, they will be highly competitive in a few years since they already have 121 time as well, I'm sure there is thousands more like them nationwide in all the different branches. I don't see it drying up anytime soon.