eaglefly

Plan was for 300 for this year so they are very close to plan. However, the Letter T situation may make it difficult to meet that plan depending on the number of returnees during the 2nd half of the year. They will have to flow 181 starting May which for X number of months could be only a handful or even none, which means they'll have to flow more later. A lot more. Considering they claimed they needed to withhold 5 in March, that puts meeting the plan into serious question.

Skepticism and concern would be healthy considering these present realities IMO.

eaglefly

About as long as reading the "you will flow in X years" from Eagle/Envoy management. It is simply what I read. Even Delta shows how lopsided they've been targeting MIL guys/gals while they can. The well is drying rapidly. That is what I've read and it wasn't from Kit Darby.

Otterbox

As long as the airlines are hiring and we fly manned aircraft in the service, the military pool won't dry up. It may fluctuate in size but won't dry up.

sealandair

This x 1000.

RyanP

The plan was to completely stop the flow (MAY/JUN/JUL) for recalls. This is no secret. Now they are telling us we will not stop the flow, and we will continue the flow (small numbers), then plan to resume again normally in AUG. (of course this could change if more recalls come back than expected). After the recalls are done we should be back on track and flowing 30/mo again. The summer slowdown on flow should also allow our staffing numbers to pad back up a bit. Recruitment is getting a lot more interest now after the E175 for new hires and the up to 15K bonus announcement. We should start to see larger current FO's from wanting to bail to other regionals. I have noticed a shift in attitudes of the FO's over the last couple weeks. It is nice to see around here things were terrible for so long.

No things aren't perfect and we still have all kinds of issues that need to be fixed to bring things back to the way they were years ago. But it is certainly better than it has been. Small improvements, adding planes back and $$$ gains being announced lately is a welcome change back in the right direction for most of us.

eaglefly

I've heard no announcement about continuing the flow during the recall process. Not saying it isn't true and that would be great if it did, but could your provide an official source for this statement ? Even if they flow 10/month during the months mentioned (AND the minimum number of recalls returned), they'd still have to run the flow at Maximum rate and they just withheld a measly 5 pilots to Minimum rate. You "should" start to see larger classes ? Hey, that would be great too, but this is just hopeful assumption. Nothing wrong with that, but it's still spending money that has yet to arrive.

boiler07

If you're referring to withholding this month, that changed today. A handful more were called for class bringing the monthly total to 30.

eaglefly

I was referring to the announcement they will continue the flow (one would assume for all the WO's) while th LT recall process is underway.

Shiner

I'm having trouble reading the tea leaves from you lately, eaglefly. There seems to be a lot of contradictions in your crystal ball.

If the flow slows due to letter T pilots returning, it's bad for Envoy. If the flow keeps going and staffing gets tight, it's bad for Envoy. Is there any scenario in which you think the pilots of Envoy will benefit?

As always, bonus point for metaphors and emojis.


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eaglefly

Perhaps that's because I have no crystal ball, unlike some of those with opposite claims about the flow.

IMO (you DO know what the "O" stands for, yes ?), if the flow slows, that's not so good as, well...........the flow slows, correct ? Better for staffing and possibly continuing upgrades, though, but everyone only cares about the flow. If the flow keeps going and staffing gets tight, it results in less captains needed (as upgrading too many with too few F/O's doesn't help total balanced staffing and adds unnecessary costs) and in addition to the potential to slow upgrades, less overall staffing puts pressure to slow the flow and, well..........the flow slows, correct ? The only situation that I think Envoy pilots will benefit from is one where they can get at least 40 pilots into class each and every month to maintain both the upgrade and flow engines while bringing stability to Envoy to maintain its present size to serve its hoped for mission.

No one here, including me is keeping pilots from Envoy's indoc classes despite the hysteria here Envoy management is. Unless and until they change their philosophy toward their pilots will sufficient conviction enough to convince pilots Envoy is an acceptable risk and competitively desirable, both Envoy and its pilots are in jeopardy over the next year or so. Sorry, no metaphors this time, but I'll take 50% credit for an .