Death of the Regionals
#71
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Never go full retard. I'm a vet but didn't fly in the military. Even with more 121 time than a fighter guys total time, I'd have a snowballs chance in hell getting hired over him/her. So it probably has something to do with another ASSUMED trait they possibly posses.
#72
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Whaaaaa......these are definitive verifiable facts.
Reality bites?
Anybody that thinks that any airline, even a regional, is going to incur the liability of putting a marginally qualified pilot in a turbojet aircraft, filled with paying passengers, is delusional. It might get away for a while, but ask where Colgan, Comair and Pinchanickle are today. This fogging a mirror hiring policy will come to a screeching halt once the first 175 hits a mountainside, or goes off the end of the runway and burns. The next legislation will make 117 look like unicorn hair and rainbows, combined with Korean soft core porn. And it won't be written by the industry, it will be written by legislators who's feet are being roasted by the victims families, and history.
Simple economics:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/bu...fe&st=cse&_r=0
Take all the seats, multiply by a number of your liking, and at 175 levels it comes closer to Trump money than Ghandi numbers.
Reality bites?
Anybody that thinks that any airline, even a regional, is going to incur the liability of putting a marginally qualified pilot in a turbojet aircraft, filled with paying passengers, is delusional. It might get away for a while, but ask where Colgan, Comair and Pinchanickle are today. This fogging a mirror hiring policy will come to a screeching halt once the first 175 hits a mountainside, or goes off the end of the runway and burns. The next legislation will make 117 look like unicorn hair and rainbows, combined with Korean soft core porn. And it won't be written by the industry, it will be written by legislators who's feet are being roasted by the victims families, and history.
Simple economics:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/bu...fe&st=cse&_r=0
Take all the seats, multiply by a number of your liking, and at 175 levels it comes closer to Trump money than Ghandi numbers.
Typical... the government ends up creating the pilot shortage by trying to prevent bad pilots from being hired, but the solution causes bad pilots to be hired at a much faster rate.
#73
Former military members have a few life skills embedded. They know how to show up on time, are trainable and understand being part of an organization. And for many, this is way easier than doing push-ups in the mud or cleaning waste recipticles. Give me an enlisted F/O who learned to fly on his/her own vs a CFI living in his parents basement any day, sorry they just work out better.
#74
#1 increase pay to attract a larger pool of qualified applicants
#2 increase training costs to bring up the skill level of the applicants
available.
When 1# becomes cheaper than 2# pay will increase, and it has, unfortunately for the industry it has only attracted the "dreamers" who ultimately aren't the optimal candidates.
Let's face it this industry isn't for everybody, long hours every day, hotels, poor food and extended time away from family means attracting new qualified candidates is going to become exponentially expensive in pay and work rules. It's getting real.
#75
The simple fact is people don't want to die in fiery plane crash or be killed in their recliner watching David Letterman, when 2 idiots drop a plane on his house, or an unsat who thought that stall somehow meant pull up, and his partner in stupidity somehow thought removing flaps uncommanded was a good idea at low altitude.
Sorry.......you don't have to like it, but you gotta own it.
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I never mentioned anything about military training, and while I completely agree that you have to perform or its over its not like there's an axe over your head 24/7 for your first year. Painting it as all doom and gloom is not realistic
#78
But, hey it could never happen to you right? It's always the other guy that has it happen to him......you could be the other guy.
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Want guarantees, head over to Best Buy and get some cell phone insurance. Piloting is a nonstop process of monitoring, from line checks, PCs, recurrent ACARS, and the other guysitting next to you. Yes, ACARS, the company can tell what you are doing in real time via data link, plenty of data channels. Never mind the constant medical poking and prodding, guys always want to avoid Dr Jellyfinger, and want the gimme medical, but EKGs, pee tests, and the multitude of other diagnostic possibilities, mean your onset Diabetes won't be missed and it will not be simple to get back in the saddle. I watch young guys deal with these issues regularly, no one is immune, have a back up plan, because you could walk out of your AMEs door without a medical with little notice.
But, hey it could never happen to you right? It's always the other guy that has it happen to him......you could be the other guy.
But, hey it could never happen to you right? It's always the other guy that has it happen to him......you could be the other guy.
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The pilot shortage was created by the guys who tried to depart on the wrong, short runway or the 410 club a$$hats, or 3407 clown show.
The simple fact is people don't want to die in fiery plane crash or be killed in their recliner watching David Letterman, when 2 idiots drop a plane on his house, or an unsat who thought that stall somehow meant pull up, and his partner in stupidity somehow thought removing flaps uncommanded was a good idea at low altitude.
Sorry.......you don't have to like it, but you gotta own it.
The simple fact is people don't want to die in fiery plane crash or be killed in their recliner watching David Letterman, when 2 idiots drop a plane on his house, or an unsat who thought that stall somehow meant pull up, and his partner in stupidity somehow thought removing flaps uncommanded was a good idea at low altitude.
Sorry.......you don't have to like it, but you gotta own it.

The cause of the accident was poor training and sleep deprivation. TT had nothing to do with it. Congress DID change the rest rules at least which did actually make sense.
So you forget that there is also the possibility that Congress could relax the rules at any time. They have created an artificial scarcity which following econ 101 leads to not only a price increase but a supply decrease. So much so that the current business model is no longer sustainable in the long term.
The point? The economics of ATP air travel are out of whack, specifically the labor side, and the market will continue to attempt to seek equilibrium until it has achieved equilibrium. One way to achieve it quickly is to change the rules.
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