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Old 06-16-2016 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
What was their landing fuel?
Enough to fly to their third alternate. I can't believe this has lasted this long, nobody's had weather go bad?
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Old 06-16-2016 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Not armchair quarterbacking at all. It's a reg that 121 operators land with 45 minutes of fuel. If you can't do it because of weather find something that works. Sure as h&ll don't opt for an unapproved airport without Arff


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§ 121.639 Fuel supply: All domestic operations.
No person may dispatch or take off an airplane unless it has enough fuel—
(a) To fly to the airport to which it is dispatched;
(b) Thereafter, to fly to and land at the most distant alternate airport (where required) for the airport to which dispatched; and
(c) Thereafter, to fly for 45 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption or, for certificate holders who are authorized to conduct day VFR operations in their operations specifications and who are operating nontransport category airplanes type certificated after December 31, 1964, to fly for 30 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption for day VFR operations.
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Old 06-16-2016 | 06:20 AM
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[QUOTE=RyanP;2145868]Sometimes Captains have to be Captains.[/QUOTE]

Simple as this. ^^^

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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
You are wrong.

§ 121.639 Fuel supply: All domestic operations.
No person may dispatch or take off an airplane unless it has enough fuel—
(a) To fly to the airport to which it is dispatched;
(b) Thereafter, to fly to and land at the most distant alternate airport (where required) for the airport to which dispatched; and
(c) Thereafter, to fly for 45 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption or, for certificate holders who are authorized to conduct day VFR operations in their operations specifications and who are operating nontransport category airplanes type certificated after December 31, 1964, to fly for 30 minutes at normal cruising fuel consumption for day VFR operations.
Wrong how? Declaring either minimum fuel or emergency fuel would receive special handling from ATC and therefore should be followed up with a report. Why deliberately put yourself in that situation. Sometimes the safest thing to do is go to somewhere else and wait it out. Granted they made tough decisions and landed safely, but what good is having a plan B or C (alternates) if you're you're not going to use them when you can't get into your destination?
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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Wrong how? Declaring either minimum fuel or emergency fuel would receive special handling from ATC and therefore should be followed up with a report. Why deliberately put yourself in that situation. Sometimes the safest thing to do is go to somewhere else and wait it out. Granted they made tough decisions and landed safely, but what good is having a plan B or C (alternates) if you're you're not going to use them when you can't get into your destination?
They did. They went to destination, couldn't get in and then went to choice C because they couldn't get to B. At choice C, they experienced wind sheer. How is that hard to understand ?
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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Wrong how? Declaring either minimum fuel or emergency fuel would receive special handling from ATC and therefore should be followed up with a report. Why deliberately put yourself in that situation. Sometimes the safest thing to do is go to somewhere else and wait it out. Granted they made tough decisions and landed safely, but what good is having a plan B or C (alternates) if you're you're not going to use them when you can't get into your destination?


It's a dispatch requirement. They have the 45 minute buffer for circumstances like this. Hence the name reserve fuel.

Min fuel doesn't receive special handling. It's just a notice that you cannot accept little or no delay.
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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:15 AM
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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:15 AM
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You said:
Originally Posted by gojo
Not armchair quarterbacking at all. It's a reg that 121 operators land with 45 minutes of fuel. If you can't do it because of weather find something that works. Sure as h&ll don't opt for an unapproved airport without Arff
That part is wrong. 45 minutes is planning fuel prior to takeoff, not a requirement at landing.

Originally Posted by gojo
Wrong how? Declaring either minimum fuel or emergency fuel would receive special handling from ATC and therefore should be followed up with a report. Why deliberately put yourself in that situation. Sometimes the safest thing to do is go to somewhere else and wait it out. Granted they made tough decisions and landed safely, but what good is having a plan B or C (alternates) if you're you're not going to use them when you can't get into your destination?
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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
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That part is wrong. 45 minutes is planning fuel prior to takeoff, not a requirement at landing.


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Old 06-16-2016 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
They did. They went to destination, couldn't get in and then went to choice C because they couldn't get to B. At choice C, they experienced wind sheer. How is that hard to understand ?
Okay, fist post on this thread said they diverted to a non 121 approved airport without ARFF. How does this become a good and safe alternate?
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