The MRJ90 and E175-E2 are done
12-08-2016, 11:46 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Machine learning does not require Cat III ILS systems, it uses synthetic machine vision to shoot visual approaches in all weather conditions. All that expensive equipment you talk about is actually eliminated, and replaced with much less expensive equipment.
The entire machine learning team at Boeing thinks this can be done within 5 years. Elon Musk thinks it's sooner.
The entire machine learning team at Boeing thinks this can be done within 5 years. Elon Musk thinks it's sooner.
Like I said, you can fully automate planes right now...if you are OK with drone like safety levels. RC, Robot, internal or external, whatever, can already be used to fly a CAT III approach. Big deal. Its the complex management of all systems during an emergency as well as decision making and redundancy that it can't even come remotely close to doing at anywhere near the same universe of costs. Humans are simply WAY cheaper. I can't blame Musk for trying to break off some more of that sweet Uncle Sugar gravy train money though.
12-08-2016, 12:03 PM
#182
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There won't be any truck drivers in 10 years, no regional pilots in 15 years, and no mainline pilots in 20 years. I'm being generous too, it's probably much sooner.
12-08-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No, not at all, these systems would be added on to current aircraft.
12-08-2016, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Not even remotely close to that. They are off by many decades.
Like I said, you can fully automate planes right now...if you are OK with drone like safety levels. RC, Robot, internal or external, whatever, can already be used to fly a CAT III approach. Big deal. Its the complex management of all systems during an emergency as well as decision making and redundancy that it can't even come remotely close to doing at anywhere near the same universe of costs. Humans are simply WAY cheaper. I can't blame Musk for trying to break off some more of that sweet Uncle Sugar gravy train money though.
Like I said, you can fully automate planes right now...if you are OK with drone like safety levels. RC, Robot, internal or external, whatever, can already be used to fly a CAT III approach. Big deal. Its the complex management of all systems during an emergency as well as decision making and redundancy that it can't even come remotely close to doing at anywhere near the same universe of costs. Humans are simply WAY cheaper. I can't blame Musk for trying to break off some more of that sweet Uncle Sugar gravy train money though.
12-08-2016, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
What jobs will be left then? Sounds good, we can all just sit at home and watch TV. Except no one will have money to buy a TV.
12-08-2016, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
All of these problems are addressable, you can add human operators if systems are deferred. However, this is really not an issue, since if redundancy is lost, the aircraft would land at the nearest suitable airport. This is like saying we can't go below having 4 engines, because if one fails we can't make it to the destination. Is a two engine jet more costly, than a four engine jet, according to you it is. On top of that, a self driving car is ridiculously more complicated, than an autonomous aircraft. No matter how much you are in denial, this will happen, and soon.
12-08-2016, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
What jobs will be left then? Sounds good, we can all just sit at home and watch TV. Except no one will have money to buy a TV.
I think most people would have to agree that as time goes on and technology increases, at some point computers/robots/whatever will be doing ALL jobs everywhere.
You may say "not this job" or "not that job", but the truth is, as long as advancements are made, even at the slowest possible speed, that means the future will eventually be all computers and robots doing the work. Maybe that means 100 years or maybe that means a million years from now. Whatever the scale, so long as advancements continue to be made, the end result cannot be denied.
On a side note, other socialist countries are now talking about having a guaranteed monthly income to all people of their country, whether they participate in the work force or not.
12-08-2016, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
The economics of the future is likely a resource based economy, not what we have today.
I think most people would have to agree that as time goes on and technology increases, at some point computers/robots/whatever will be doing ALL jobs everywhere.
You may say "not this job" or "not that job", but the truth is, as long as advancements are made, even at the slowest possible speed, that means the future will eventually be all computers and robots doing the work. Maybe that means 100 years or maybe that means a million years from now. Whatever the scale, so long as advancements continue to be made, the end result cannot be denied.
On a side note, other socialist countries are now talking about having a guaranteed monthly income to all people of their country, whether they participate in the work force or not.
I think most people would have to agree that as time goes on and technology increases, at some point computers/robots/whatever will be doing ALL jobs everywhere.
You may say "not this job" or "not that job", but the truth is, as long as advancements are made, even at the slowest possible speed, that means the future will eventually be all computers and robots doing the work. Maybe that means 100 years or maybe that means a million years from now. Whatever the scale, so long as advancements continue to be made, the end result cannot be denied.
On a side note, other socialist countries are now talking about having a guaranteed monthly income to all people of their country, whether they participate in the work force or not.
12-08-2016, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Look at the drone loss rate, I agree this will happen but not soon. How long did it take the FAA to approve replacing one book in an aircraft with an iPad? Yeah, multiple that by 50, no one reading this thread will be alive when passenger airliners fly without pilots in the cockpit.
12-08-2016, 06:17 PM
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If pilots go, whose job is safe? I've read articles about doctors and surgeons being replaced by robots. I would think by that logic computers should have already taken over law, math, engineering, sailing ships, etc. Instead we use the human element along with technology. Just my observation.
