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Pedro4President 01-06-2017 01:17 PM

My hope is that none of us are growing.

To say who is growing and who is shrinking is hard to say. One would have to see into the future to make this prediction.

Why does growth matter? Are you equating growth to upgrade time?
Growth is tied to upgrading, but attrition is also tied to upgrade time.

Pedro4President 01-06-2017 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by barabek (Post 2275947)
I don't think there is data like this out there in one place. The regional scene is ever changing. Who's growing today may be shrinking tomorrow and vice-versa. Just look at Compass: growing like crazy and suddenly shrinking. There's no airline that is immune to this unpredictable instability. That's why everyone wants to get out asap to the majors.


Some say AA is trying to maintain its regional feed as long as possible. Also it looks like they are trying to bring some of that flying back in house. This would lead me to think that the WOs would grow in the near future. But let me look in my crystal ball again to make sure.

barabek 01-06-2017 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2275962)
Some say AA is trying to maintain its regional feed as long as possible. Also it looks like they are trying to bring some of that flying back in house. This would lead me to think that the WOs would grow in the near future. But let me look in my crystal ball again to make sure.

The bottom line is the growth is only temporary. Currently it's nothing other then reshuffling of airframes. (Who can do it for cheaper while able to staff it?) If you're lucky and hit a sweet spot, you're going to upgrade quickly and enjoy senior line holder's lifestyle, if not - endless misery of reserve. I was unlucky in my first regional. Very lucky in my current one. Still trying my hardest to leave as quickly as possible, as I hope the regionals will shrink and die all together (although I realize the latter may be just wishful thinking on my side).

KCaviator 01-06-2017 02:11 PM

Republic is growing by 26 aircraft in 2017.

-12 UA
-8 AA
-6 DL

VIRotate 01-06-2017 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by KCaviator (Post 2275983)
Republic is growing by 26 aircraft in 2017.

-12 UA
-8 AA
-6 DL

Didn't you guys lose like 40 E145s though during bankruptcy? I get it, the plane was an outlier of the fleet but I'd imagine those pilots had to go somewhere so I wouldn't say there is much growth just yet. Things seems to be returning to normal for you guys and I'm glad it is. (Even though we are donating 6 of those jets to you guys. :p)

Fact of the matter is a regional that is growing like crazy may be doing the opposite a year later.

170driver 01-07-2017 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2276204)
Didn't you guys lose like 40 E145s though during bankruptcy? I get it, the plane was an outlier of the fleet but I'd imagine those pilots had to go somewhere so I wouldn't say there is much growth just yet. Things seems to be returning to normal for you guys and I'm glad it is. (Even though we are donating 6 of those jets to you guys. :p)

Fact of the matter is a regional that is growing like crazy may be doing the opposite a year later.



We were peoples last resort about a year ago, this is actually positive news that our fleet isn't shrinking any further. My guess is by the time we get the additional 26 airframes we will be understaffed again.

Pedro4President 01-07-2017 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by 170driver (Post 2276208)
We were peoples last resort about a year ago, this is actually positive news that our fleet isn't shrinking any further. My guess is by the time we get the additional 26 airframes we will be understaffed again.

Your pay bump was a good incentive to get people in the door. It also helped spur other airlines to raise wages.

170driver 01-07-2017 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2276209)
Your pay bump was a good incentive to get people in the door. It also helped spur other airlines to raise wages.



Now we just need mesas short upgrades to go away so it puts pressure on management there /s.

Jet Jockey 00 01-07-2017 07:14 AM

They might get those United planes and that is more growth and upgrades.

170driver 01-07-2017 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00 (Post 2276282)
They might get those United planes and that is more growth and upgrades.



Yeah keep feeding the cockroaches. JO is the problem with this industry.


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