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VIRotate 01-09-2017 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 2277312)
CompAss was never the "highest pay".

What do you have against Compass? :confused:

PleaseComplete 01-09-2017 02:13 AM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 2277366)
Legacy pilot's have a scope clause. Bottom line, scope can't be violated unless AA wants to pay APA millions of dollars, they've done it in the past when TSA took some of Eagle's planes, it was an expensive mistake for AA and Eagle got the planes back while APA's winning lawsuit cost AA millions. I don't think AA will violate scope just so PSA big cheese can honor his word to a new hire class about growing to 2200 pilots. You got played if you honestly believe PSA can grow to 2200 pilots. With the pilot shortage and all, the big cheese might stretch the truth a bit to keep the fire going. AA is scoped out on RJs period. If an AA feeder grows, it's at the demise of anther.

Its not as simplistic and nefarious as you make it sound.

To put it simply Company A flies between city pair A 5 times a day 7 days a week. Years after sales established the line at Company A and city pair A the line dwindles into half capacity and is no longer profitable. The flying is scaled back to two flights a day at city pair A and Company A. Marketing determines that there is a demand for city pair B on the other side of the country and writes a new contract for Company B to fly it.

Is simple supply and demand, not the evil empire of aviation management who's sole existence is to ruin your life. :eek: :rolleyes:

Systemized 01-09-2017 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2277448)
Its not as simplistic and nefarious as you make it sound.

To put it simply Company A flies between city pair A 5 times a day 7 days a week. Years after sales established the line at Company A and city pair A the line dwindles into half capacity and is no longer profitable. The flying is scaled back to two flights a day at city pair A and Company A. Marketing determines that there is a demand for city pair B on the other side of the country and writes a new contract for Company B to fly it.

Is simple supply and demand, not the evil empire of aviation management who's sole existence is to ruin your life. :eek: :rolleyes:

Do you know what scope is?

dl773 01-09-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2277347)
Umm nope. Parent company controls growth.

SkyWest doesn't control every factor that allows for a company to grow.

AboveMins 01-09-2017 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by dl773 (Post 2277318)
What is killing ExpressJet is the seniority system, not SkyWest, not the unions...

If they weren't so senior they wouldn't be stagnant, there would be seniority movement, there would be new hires to keep up with staffing needs.

No, what is killing ExpressJet is SkyWest, Inc. Seniority movement, number-wise is there. I move up between 20 and 50 numbers per month. In the past 2 years, I've seen our IAH domicile lose about 100 lines, and aircraft leave to Transtates and Commutair. From what I've been told, we didn't even bother to attempt to renegotiate our DEN flying.

Jvw700 01-09-2017 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by AboveMins (Post 2277913)
No, what is killing ExpressJet is SkyWest, Inc. Seniority movement, number-wise is there. I move up between 20 and 50 numbers per month. In the past 2 years, I've seen our IAH domicile lose about 100 lines, and aircraft leave to Transtates and Commutair. From what I've been told, we didn't even bother to attempt to renegotiate our DEN flying.

Skywest Inc should have never purchased expressjet in the first place! Oh well. Lesson learned......

dl773 01-09-2017 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by AboveMins (Post 2277913)
No, what is killing ExpressJet is SkyWest, Inc. Seniority movement, number-wise is there. I move up between 20 and 50 numbers per month. In the past 2 years, I've seen our IAH domicile lose about 100 lines, and aircraft leave to Transtates and Commutair. From what I've been told, we didn't even bother to attempt to renegotiate our DEN flying.

What is your seniority? Upgrade time is still stratospheric. There is little to no significant seniority movement, i.e. of the type that really matters (not FOs jumping ship, especially new hires).

If you can't staff, the only thing left to do is shrink the fleet to right size to what you can staff. What's the point in trying to renegotiate contracts if you can't fly the airplanes. Heck, I'm sure UA, DL and AA are looking carefully into the different regional's ability to staff prior to signing contracts.

AboveMins 01-10-2017 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by dl773 (Post 2277999)
What is your seniority? Upgrade time is still stratospheric. There is little to no significant seniority movement, i.e. of the type that really matters (not FOs jumping ship, especially new hires).

If you can't staff, the only thing left to do is shrink the fleet to right size to what you can staff. What's the point in trying to renegotiate contracts if you can't fly the airplanes. Heck, I'm sure UA, DL and AA are looking carefully into the different regional's ability to staff prior to signing contracts.

I'm a reserve Captain with 11 years of seniority. It is painfully obvious that the plan never was to shrink to a size we could staff. It was to shrink to zero aircraft. The reason we can't staff is because people aren't buying the SkyWest tripe, and can see the writing on the wall for this place. I'm fairly certain if by some miracle, we were awarded more flying, and upgrades came down to a reasonable level, this place would have no problems with staffing. Problem is, with the St. George yes men running the fecal show in Atlanta, that will never happen. This is Comair 2.0.


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