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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi (Post 2276659)

This industry runs on a terrible business model. "Growth" and "quick upgrades" for one pilot group typically come because another pilot group is suffering and stagnating.

GoJet benefitted to TransStates' detriment, Colgan planes went to Republic, then Republic lost those same Q400s, Comair got shut down as punishment, TransStates, Compass, PSA, and Piedmont grew with Eagle's planes while Eagle stagnated, SkyWest got Horizon's CRJs, etc.

Today's victim will be tomorrow's victor.

The worst part about the "regionals" is the terrible effect on pilots' careers by having scoped-out flying in the first place. All this flying should be mainline; unfortunately Pandora's box has been opened, and the "regionals" are here to stay, now that the "regionals" officially fly mainline equipment (E175).

You are correct to an extent, but do you think it will make a difference now that American is fully merged and one big company? Seems like they are dumping a ton of money into their three wholly owned and cutting the flying from the contract carriers. This, to me, seems like a game changer. American doubling down on regional lift, while Delta shifts away. I dont think that American will every go totally away from contracts, but they are reducing.

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Originally Posted by FlexNinja (Post 2276666)

You are correct to an extent, but do you think it will make a difference now that American is fully merged and one big company?

Sadly, the whipsaw is alive and well. As a group, pilots are their own worst enemy. As long as naive pilots continue to chase temporary "growth" and temporary "quick upgrades," the whipsaw will thrive.

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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi (Post 2276659)

This is the fault of ALPA for letting it happen.

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Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2276680)

This is the fault of ALPA for letting it happen.

Yup, our excuse of a union allows one group to be F'd while another benefits. Until we all wise up and stop allowing it to happen, enjoy buying your own lube.

While whipsawing is true... One of the main reasons for shifting of flying is non performance. To say it's just one thing only is disingenuous.

Look at Compass. Once the absolute mecca with upgrade times under a year, highest pay (for like a month), crazy growth and guys who could hold lines right out of the school-house; you'd move 10% on the seniority list every month. Now, less than 2 years later, hiring freeze and lost 8% of their fleet. There is NO stability, except for MAYBE Skywest and Horizon. The only thing you should place bets on is attrition, and the house always gets their money on that bet.

Horizon is "trying" to grow. But they have no clue how to keep and attract pilots. I dont recommend applying here.

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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi (Post 2276675)

What would you recommend to a "naive pilot"?

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Originally Posted by NDTC3 (Post 2277057)

What would you recommend to a "naive pilot"?

Nothing.

In this supposed utopian society that is being discussed if you are at a carrier with a contract that is not as good as the carrier with the "best" contract you are supposed to never vote a better contact for yourself because they might shift flying from the more expensive carrier to your carrier as part of the deal. In short if you didn't select or weren't hired by the "best" carrier you are supposed to just lie in your own feces because otherwise you're the reason for whipsaw.... : Rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi (Post 2276659)

And then trans states, and commutair, benefit by taking planes from xjet, and skywest basically letting xjet/asa downsize into nothing.