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MidLife 01-05-2017 10:01 PM

Which regionals are growing, or not?
 
Where would I find factual data on which regionals are growing, shrinking, fixed size, etc.?
Ideally, it would be by active fleet composition and size, failing which an active pilot population would give some information too....

Factual - not anecdotal...

diverdriver2 01-06-2017 12:01 AM

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I hear they have all the latest on each airline.

PSA help 01-06-2017 01:45 AM

PSA - has grown from 400 pilots to 1200 in the last 3 years. Still adding at least 35 CRJ-700s starting in early spring. Expected size of pilot group is 2,200, which is an increase of 500 per year for the next 2 years in addition to attrition. Currently, new hire classes are about 50 pilots per month and upgrading 24 per month.

MidLife 01-06-2017 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by diverdriver2 (Post 2275579)
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I hear they have all the latest on each airline.

;-D
Latest snapshot - yes. But I would need the snapshot from one two three etc years ago to build a trend

Systemized 01-06-2017 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by PSA help (Post 2275588)
PSA - has grown from 400 pilots to 1200 in the last 3 years. Still adding at least 35 CRJ-700s starting in early spring. Expected size of pilot group is 2,200, which is an increase of 500 per year for the next 2 years in addition to attrition. Currently, new hire classes are about 50 pilots per month and upgrading 24 per month.

You must be management and/or a pilot recruiter because your math is terrible. PSA grew from 500 pilots to 1200, that's a 700 gain. 35 planes are coming over to PSA from Envoy. That's a need of 350 pilot, so total will be close to 1500 not 2200. When you here management state 2200 pilots, you must use some common sense and realize that number makes zero sense unless a large number of additional planes come over which is not possible because American is almost scoped out on large RJs. The only way for PSA to grow further beyond 150 planes/1600 pilots, is for PSA to get planes from other non-wholly owned regionals. All those regionals have long term contracts, so one carrier would need to go bankrupt to end their contracts. How likely is that scenario?

Freelindy 01-06-2017 12:04 PM

Horizon, wants to grow while flying turboprops, 4 year seatlock, concessionary contract and now a bonus outside of the contract... lovely, go there!

hawk21 01-06-2017 12:06 PM

SkyWest seems to be holding steady at ~4,100 on the seniority list.

MidLife 01-06-2017 12:20 PM

So no ideas on on where to find this data??

barabek 01-06-2017 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by MidLife (Post 2275921)
So no ideas on on where to find this data??

I don't think there is data like this out there in one place. The regional scene is ever changing. Who's growing today may be shrinking tomorrow and vice-versa. Just look at Compass: growing like crazy and suddenly shrinking. There's no airline that is immune to this unpredictable instability. That's why everyone wants to get out asap to the majors.

PleaseComplete 01-06-2017 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 2275640)
You must be management and/or a pilot recruiter because your math is terrible. PSA grew from 500 pilots to 1200, that's a 700 gain. 35 planes are coming over to PSA from Envoy. That's a need of 350 pilot, so total will be close to 1500 not 2200. When you here management state 2200 pilots, you must use some common sense and realize that number makes zero sense unless a large number of additional planes come over which is not possible because American is almost scoped out on large RJs. The only way for PSA to grow further beyond 150 planes/1600 pilots, is for PSA to get planes from other non-wholly owned regionals. All those regionals have long term contracts, so one carrier would need to go bankrupt to end their contracts. How likely is that scenario?

The 2200 number and associated aircraft all come from upper management which takes that directly from AA. So. Yea. Bottom line AA likes our efficiency and profitability and will give us the planes if we can continue to staff and operate them in that manner. Where AA gets them from not our concern. FYI though, marketing and sales can make new contracts that don't affect old contracts. I would say this is just my two cents worth, however, this exact question was asked to the big cheese in my Indoc class and that is what was said.


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