Republic or Air Wisconsin?
09-16-2017, 04:58 PM
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Republic or Air Wisconsin?
All,
I have been offered positions at both Republic and Air Wisconsin and was looking for some input. Sorry to create a new thread here, but this is an important decision and I wanted to hear feedback before making my choice.
Pro's - Financially, Air Wisconsin seems to be the front runner here. The bonuses clearly outweigh RJET with their compensation package. I will also be a commuter and Chicago would be ideal for me which I would easily get with Air Wisconsin. Not being for months on reserve is also a bonus. I could take Columbus but New York would be tough.
Con's - Smaller company? RJET just felt more like a real company to me, they also took great care of us during the interview process. Impressed with their training facility. The ERJ is also a big pull factor for me. But then again I don't want to take a job just to fly a shiny jet. Republic seems to have a better route network as well, longer flight times versus 4-5 a day short legs on the 200. I'm not lazy by any means , young in my 20's and will work for anything, but I'd like to have a job that I actually enjoy and don't dread going to.
Question - How long is upgrade time at RJET? For a guy entering now.
How long is reserve time on average?
I realize a lot of these questions cannot be answered because everything is up in the air, but i'm just torn between the two and wanted some feedback. Any RJET guys that went to Air Wisconsin or vice versa?
Chris
I have been offered positions at both Republic and Air Wisconsin and was looking for some input. Sorry to create a new thread here, but this is an important decision and I wanted to hear feedback before making my choice.
Pro's - Financially, Air Wisconsin seems to be the front runner here. The bonuses clearly outweigh RJET with their compensation package. I will also be a commuter and Chicago would be ideal for me which I would easily get with Air Wisconsin. Not being for months on reserve is also a bonus. I could take Columbus but New York would be tough.
Con's - Smaller company? RJET just felt more like a real company to me, they also took great care of us during the interview process. Impressed with their training facility. The ERJ is also a big pull factor for me. But then again I don't want to take a job just to fly a shiny jet. Republic seems to have a better route network as well, longer flight times versus 4-5 a day short legs on the 200. I'm not lazy by any means , young in my 20's and will work for anything, but I'd like to have a job that I actually enjoy and don't dread going to.
Question - How long is upgrade time at RJET? For a guy entering now.
How long is reserve time on average?
I realize a lot of these questions cannot be answered because everything is up in the air, but i'm just torn between the two and wanted some feedback. Any RJET guys that went to Air Wisconsin or vice versa?
Chris
09-16-2017, 05:35 PM
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I had a chance to speak with the current Captain upgrade class at Republic, they're sitting at the four year mark. You could reasonably expect a shrinking of that number, unless there's an economic downturn or something to slow it.
In general, QOL trumps all. Look towards your priorities, and pick the company that meets as many of them as possible.
Good luck!
In general, QOL trumps all. Look towards your priorities, and pick the company that meets as many of them as possible.
Good luck!
09-16-2017, 05:55 PM
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Chrispilot1 and all:
My class arrived in STL today from I doc in Indy. I can answer some things and others can chime in, and tell you why I'm at Rjet. You point out the issues I was toiling with myself. Can I ask you why aren't you at Rjet too?
Rhett is a very solid and stable company. Consider this Rjet is owened by AA, DL, and UA. Embrarier, and GE are the other major owners. I will ask you to think about that when you decide your future at Rjet or elsewhere. That is why I am at Rjet.
Rjet will start contract negotiations next month. Our President has told us that he expects to retain leadership in the Regional industry. Now is not an easy time as every pilot is being hired away. The only way he can do this in such a competitive environment for your and my skills is offer more. So what is more? Pay, and benefits is frankly what pilots want and are getting. Mr BB is fully awhere to f this and told our class directly. Understanding is parameters and another reason I'm at Rjet.
Training times from Indoc to systems, then sim is flying in the next morning. We have some time off then to systems. From systems a few of us have between 3-10 days off before we go to the sim sessions. Ask around Air Wis how long training takes?
From passing the check ride to OE we get about 5 days off, then to OE. You are flying with paying passengers onboard. You do not even get finished at Air Wis with OE. Some have to go back to the sims for a refresher. No so at Rjet. Another reason I'm here.
Reserve is anyone's guess. It depends on many varables. Time or year, what the main lines want, what we can provide, and fill per base. Both companies Rjet and Air Wis need pilots yet, at Rjet I can fly for all 3 in one day. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Half my class was assigned ORD as a base in Indoc this week. That's why they are at Rjet.
We received a new ERJ this month. What was the last CRJ200 built? That's why I'm at Rjet.
I goofed up my direct deposit for my check. I was the only one in class that was not on direct deposit yet. I sent 1 e-mail and had a paper check in my hand in about an hour. That's why I'm at Rjet and our payroll department stepped me through the why my dad was not accepted. It is all correct now.
Rjet paid for my luggage and uniforms. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Looking at the seniority list between what is on the property as of last night. In order to continue operations we will need to upgrade at least 50 new captains a month. That makes my UG about the 18 month spot. If the attrition continues or increases then I move up faster. We loose about 50 a month and many of those are not Captains yet FO's to about everyone we fly for and more. That's why I'm at Rjet.
I hope I answered the questions and told you why I'm at Rjet. Let me ask you again, why aren't your here at Rjet?
Any other questions ask and I'll try to get an answer.
My class arrived in STL today from I doc in Indy. I can answer some things and others can chime in, and tell you why I'm at Rjet. You point out the issues I was toiling with myself. Can I ask you why aren't you at Rjet too?
Rhett is a very solid and stable company. Consider this Rjet is owened by AA, DL, and UA. Embrarier, and GE are the other major owners. I will ask you to think about that when you decide your future at Rjet or elsewhere. That is why I am at Rjet.
Rjet will start contract negotiations next month. Our President has told us that he expects to retain leadership in the Regional industry. Now is not an easy time as every pilot is being hired away. The only way he can do this in such a competitive environment for your and my skills is offer more. So what is more? Pay, and benefits is frankly what pilots want and are getting. Mr BB is fully awhere to f this and told our class directly. Understanding is parameters and another reason I'm at Rjet.
Training times from Indoc to systems, then sim is flying in the next morning. We have some time off then to systems. From systems a few of us have between 3-10 days off before we go to the sim sessions. Ask around Air Wis how long training takes?
From passing the check ride to OE we get about 5 days off, then to OE. You are flying with paying passengers onboard. You do not even get finished at Air Wis with OE. Some have to go back to the sims for a refresher. No so at Rjet. Another reason I'm here.
Reserve is anyone's guess. It depends on many varables. Time or year, what the main lines want, what we can provide, and fill per base. Both companies Rjet and Air Wis need pilots yet, at Rjet I can fly for all 3 in one day. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Half my class was assigned ORD as a base in Indoc this week. That's why they are at Rjet.
We received a new ERJ this month. What was the last CRJ200 built? That's why I'm at Rjet.
I goofed up my direct deposit for my check. I was the only one in class that was not on direct deposit yet. I sent 1 e-mail and had a paper check in my hand in about an hour. That's why I'm at Rjet and our payroll department stepped me through the why my dad was not accepted. It is all correct now.
Rjet paid for my luggage and uniforms. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Looking at the seniority list between what is on the property as of last night. In order to continue operations we will need to upgrade at least 50 new captains a month. That makes my UG about the 18 month spot. If the attrition continues or increases then I move up faster. We loose about 50 a month and many of those are not Captains yet FO's to about everyone we fly for and more. That's why I'm at Rjet.
I hope I answered the questions and told you why I'm at Rjet. Let me ask you again, why aren't your here at Rjet?
Any other questions ask and I'll try to get an answer.
09-16-2017, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmanndfw
Chrispilot1 and all:
My class arrived in STL today from I doc in Indy. I can answer some things and others can chime in, and tell you why I'm at Rjet. You point out the issues I was toiling with myself. Can I ask you why aren't you at Rjet too?
Rhett is a very solid and stable company. Consider this Rjet is owened by AA, DL, and UA. Embrarier, and GE are the other major owners. I will ask you to think about that when you decide your future at Rjet or elsewhere. That is why I am at Rjet.
Rjet will start contract negotiations next month. Our President has told us that he expects to retain leadership in the Regional industry. Now is not an easy time as every pilot is being hired away. The only way he can do this in such a competitive environment for your and my skills is offer more. So what is more? Pay, and benefits is frankly what pilots want and are getting. Mr BB is fully awhere to f this and told our class directly. Understanding is parameters and another reason I'm at Rjet.
Training times from Indoc to systems, then sim is flying in the next morning. We have some time off then to systems. From systems a few of us have between 3-10 days off before we go to the sim sessions. Ask around Air Wis how long training takes?
From passing the check ride to OE we get about 5 days off, then to OE. You are flying with paying passengers onboard. You do not even get finished at Air Wis with OE. Some have to go back to the sims for a refresher. No so at Rjet. Another reason I'm here.
Reserve is anyone's guess. It depends on many varables. Time or year, what the main lines want, what we can provide, and fill per base. Both companies Rjet and Air Wis need pilots yet, at Rjet I can fly for all 3 in one day. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Half my class was assigned ORD as a base in Indoc this week. That's why they are at Rjet.
We received a new ERJ this month. What was the last CRJ200 built? That's why I'm at Rjet.
I goofed up my direct deposit for my check. I was the only one in class that was not on direct deposit yet. I sent 1 e-mail and had a paper check in my hand in about an hour. That's why I'm at Rjet and our payroll department stepped me through the why my dad was not accepted. It is all correct now.
Rjet paid for my luggage and uniforms. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Looking at the seniority list between what is on the property as of last night. In order to continue operations we will need to upgrade at least 50 new captains a month. That makes my UG about the 18 month spot. If the attrition continues or increases then I move up faster. We loose about 50 a month and many of those are not Captains yet FO's to about everyone we fly for and more. That's why I'm at Rjet.
I hope I answered the questions and told you why I'm at Rjet. Let me ask you again, why aren't your here at Rjet?
Any other questions ask and I'll try to get an answer.
My class arrived in STL today from I doc in Indy. I can answer some things and others can chime in, and tell you why I'm at Rjet. You point out the issues I was toiling with myself. Can I ask you why aren't you at Rjet too?
Rhett is a very solid and stable company. Consider this Rjet is owened by AA, DL, and UA. Embrarier, and GE are the other major owners. I will ask you to think about that when you decide your future at Rjet or elsewhere. That is why I am at Rjet.
Rjet will start contract negotiations next month. Our President has told us that he expects to retain leadership in the Regional industry. Now is not an easy time as every pilot is being hired away. The only way he can do this in such a competitive environment for your and my skills is offer more. So what is more? Pay, and benefits is frankly what pilots want and are getting. Mr BB is fully awhere to f this and told our class directly. Understanding is parameters and another reason I'm at Rjet.
Training times from Indoc to systems, then sim is flying in the next morning. We have some time off then to systems. From systems a few of us have between 3-10 days off before we go to the sim sessions. Ask around Air Wis how long training takes?
From passing the check ride to OE we get about 5 days off, then to OE. You are flying with paying passengers onboard. You do not even get finished at Air Wis with OE. Some have to go back to the sims for a refresher. No so at Rjet. Another reason I'm here.
Reserve is anyone's guess. It depends on many varables. Time or year, what the main lines want, what we can provide, and fill per base. Both companies Rjet and Air Wis need pilots yet, at Rjet I can fly for all 3 in one day. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Half my class was assigned ORD as a base in Indoc this week. That's why they are at Rjet.
We received a new ERJ this month. What was the last CRJ200 built? That's why I'm at Rjet.
I goofed up my direct deposit for my check. I was the only one in class that was not on direct deposit yet. I sent 1 e-mail and had a paper check in my hand in about an hour. That's why I'm at Rjet and our payroll department stepped me through the why my dad was not accepted. It is all correct now.
Rjet paid for my luggage and uniforms. That's why I'm at Rjet.
Looking at the seniority list between what is on the property as of last night. In order to continue operations we will need to upgrade at least 50 new captains a month. That makes my UG about the 18 month spot. If the attrition continues or increases then I move up faster. We loose about 50 a month and many of those are not Captains yet FO's to about everyone we fly for and more. That's why I'm at Rjet.
I hope I answered the questions and told you why I'm at Rjet. Let me ask you again, why aren't your here at Rjet?
Any other questions ask and I'll try to get an answer.
09-17-2017, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Which fleet type is more likely to be around when regionals die off or airlines continue their trend towards flying larger, more desirable aircraft? Having only a fleet of 12 year old 50 seat airplanes would scare me.
ZW's owner's have made by some estimates $1B off their US Air/AA contract. The main reason they are still in the 50 seat market is that market still exists and is profitable. But, if that changes it doesn't take a genius to realize they have the bread to acquire other regionals or bigger planes.
Sure, on paper that sounds riskier. However, ZW has been around 50 plus years with great success in the regional sector. My simple advice is don't judge a book by its cover.
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