The airplane says United on the side. Unless it is your own metal, as of the 15th a United pilot has priority in seniority order (providing the agreement was signed). I really don’t see that changing. Deal with it as you see fit, but accept responsibility if there are consequences resulting from a poor decision. Free will and all.

 

That is what the agreement says for YOUR JS. So again why are you screaming? Nobody is dictating that your JS has changed.

It’s changed on UA and UAL exclusive. Nobody is saying you have to change what you’ve been doing on your own metal.

Don’t sign, no worries. You go last. But if it’s open, welcome aboard!

 

This is what the agreement currently is (was for UAL/UAX exclusive) across the board. How is that not the fairest agreement for ALL pilots in the United system. TOC, first come first serve. It’s been working like this for a decade until ALPA decided to pull something because I’m sure there’s something else going on behind the scenes that caused this. The AVIATE program is one of them.

It’s really hard to argue with two carriers that provide 65 percent of UAX lift. For all the ones with their asinine argument of YX/OO losing the flying, who will fill the void. XJT still can’t even staff their own routes, YX is making a killing picking up that flying for premium.

Their won’t be any consequences of this “JS war” other than commuting issues of the pilot groups. 121.547 is all the protection CAs need. What could management possibly do?? The IBT will not let UA step on our pilot group.

Stop voting in favor of scope relief and you solve a lot of problems.

 

So how come my paycheck doesn’t say United on it? Where’s my triple digit pay rate and profit sharing?

65 percent of UAX lift is a lot of denied jumpseats. Hopefully you’re able to commute on mainline. I’d probably stay away from the ‘exclusive’ carriers unless you like canceled flights, never being on time or sitting in a -200.

 

Except for the little fact that hardly anyone is being denied jumpseats. The only people denying jumpseaters are going to be the lifers that don't have the ability to go anywhere else like yourself. Even most of those people won't be denying jumpseaters. At this point it doesn't even matter if Republic and Skywest sign the new agreement. Don't sign it and enjoy your OAL status and missing out on getting home because you got bumped by a Jetblue or UPS pilot that checked in before you.

 

I can see where you are coming from but I think people are still missing the point.

Speaking from experience I have missed a trip before because I was bumped by a delta connection (Skywest) pilot who only flew delta feed. I was bumped from a non-Skywest uax flight where there airplane literally says united on the side of the plane by a Skywest fo wearing a delta lanyard.

JS agreements are signed by the corporations not the union. United lost money because a delta connection pilot had the same priority as me and got a gate agent to list him 1.5 hours prior. United management could care less about the politics of this. They simply want to protect THEIR operation.

United wants to support their operation, not deltas. Me missing my trip cost them money, and it cost me money.

If there was a way to separate the pilots from the non exclusive carriers who only fly for United feed and put them in the same level as exclusive carriers that would be the most fair solution. Absent of that this is the only way to do it.

 

Just to correct, it's not necessarily been "get to the gate fast enough". It's been "get to a gate fast enough". Regional pilots (me included) have checked in for the JS at outstatons. I can understand a UA mainline pilot who just came in on a transoceanic flight being irked at being bumped off an ExpressJet JS by a Republic pilot wearing a Delta lanyard who checked in at an outstation.
Also, telling a mainline airline "Tough ****. We do 65% of your flying" normally ends poorly. Remember, things can change quickly. Just a few years ago XY was a dumpster fire. ERJ's were parked all over the place due to a lack of pilots. Delta was suing you for poor performance. Filed for Chapter 11 protection. The rumor was that you guys were gone and ASA was taking over your flying. No way DAL would fire ASA. We did most of their flying. Yeah... didn't quite work out that way. Regional pilots will follow the airplanes.

 

This. Only a few captains are saying no. Another factor is that this only applies if there isn’t a seat in the back and the jumpseat comes into play. I usually get a seat in the back this time of year. My commute is all express. Mostly Mesa, but there is one Skywest and one Republic flight that I occasionally use. I have the commuter policy as a backup, but the company has been putting me on positive space if I get to that point. If I get denied going home, I simply catch the next one.

 

Exactly. It’s the vocal minority making it seem like all CAs are saying no. Until our FOM says no pilots in the jumpseat I won’t be denying anyone while our two unions get their tape measures out.

The company doesn’t have our back when we can’t get to work and commuter clause and the union has been pretty inept at fighting it. The last blast email said the company is on our side yet there are zero solutions for us to get to work/home if we get denied, so until they have my back they don’t get my support in this BS.

 

Easy. You don’t work for United. You work for a company who does contract work for United. Your pay and QOL is determined by what you can negotiate with them.