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Old 09-11-2019 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
You’re 100% correct that APA would not put any effort into giving up anything of ours to get you better jumpseat priority.


Of course not. That would be just plain stupid. I think everyone needs to just settle down and see what comes from these “talks”. The jumpseat is sacred and should be treated as such by all.


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Old 09-11-2019 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
When I don’t get a Jumpseat on a plane doing my company’s flying and a UAL guy does... it is.
You don't own our jumpseat. Seats in the cabin, sure. But behind that cockpit door, your company doesn't matter unless our rules say it does. And we've given your company every opportunity to retain your company "mattering" by asking for you to hold up your end of reciprocity. For whatever reason, they won't (or haven't up to the present).

If you want to redefine "jumpseat war" to suit your needs, by all means. But it's not us that's starting it. We're not denying you the jumpseat. We're giving you the same deal you give us.

I'm of the opinion that if you are absolutely prohibited from listing as a D6 at the gate (not that your gate agents don't want to do so, but that you are prevented from doing so like you are online), then we are no longer seeking something reciprocal, and should therefore find another solution to this. If this turns out to be the case (which I don't believe it is), I will do my part to try to seek a different solution on our end on behalf of your pilot group.
Old 09-11-2019 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KCaviator
These mainline guys are all talk. These are the same dudes that talk a big game about scope, yet when they’re given the chance of taking money vs holding the line, they’ll take the money and run 10 times out of 10. A new boat is more important than contracting out additional jobs. They care about one thing and one thing only: themselves.


Oh please. There hasn’t been any scope concessions in a while. The last round of them were after 9/11 and before that the rj threat wasn’t totally known.

But yea i did buy a new boat this year so you at least got that right.
Old 09-11-2019 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
I'm of the opinion that if you are absolutely prohibited from listing as a D6 at the gate (not that your gate agents don't want to do so, but that you are prevented from doing so like you are online), then we are no longer seeking something reciprocal, and should therefore find another solution to this. If this turns out to be the case (which I don't believe it is), I will do my part to try to seek a different solution on our end on behalf of your pilot group.
Gate agents have a list of airlines that are eligible for D6 listing. AA is not one of them.
Old 09-11-2019 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
We're not denying you the jumpseat. We're giving the American pilots the same deal the powers that be in AA mgt give us.
Fixed it for you. Next time a republic manager decides to cancel a flight I’ll deny a republic jumpseater or at least give it to a UAL guy. That makes a lot of sense, right?
Old 09-11-2019 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Fixed it for you. Next time a republic manager decides to cancel a flight I’ll deny a republic jumpseater or at least give it to a UAL guy. That makes a lot of sense, right?
You're either being willfully obtuse or not understanding the situation.

We currently don't get priority over OAL on your metal. Now, you don't get priority over OAL on our metal. It's really that simple. We're not punishing you any more than you're not punishing us. We're not denying an AA guy the jumpseat. If you get there first, awesome, we're glad to have you.
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
You're either being willfully obtuse or not understanding the situation.



We currently don't get priority over OAL on your metal. Now, you don't get priority over OAL on our metal. It's really that simple. We're not punishing you any more than you're not punishing us. We're not denying an AA guy the jumpseat. If you get there first, awesome, we're glad to have you.


Dude. It’s the way your people are going about this. It’s insane to take hostages.

If this goes through I can’t wait to see what happens after the first incident where an oal gets the jump over an AA pilot on an AA branded flight.

I know what’s going to happen. But is sure is going to be entertaining.
Old 09-11-2019 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Dude. It’s the way your people are going about this. It’s insane to take hostages.

If this goes through I can’t wait to see what happens after the first incident where an oal gets the jump over an AA pilot on an AA branded flight.

I know what’s going to happen. But is sure is going to be entertaining.
We are not taking hostages! That's what you guys can't seem to understand. Your priority is being lowered to the same priority you give us. That's not hostage-taking. Hostage-taking would be denying you the jumpseat on our flights, something we have absolutely zero desire to do.

The fact you think y'all are entitled to our jumpseat on planes we own without reciprocity is the worst part of the mainline guys' reactions to this.
Old 09-11-2019 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
We are not taking hostages! That's what you guys can't seem to understand. Your priority is being lowered to the same priority you give us. That's not hostage-taking. Hostage-taking would be denying you the jumpseat on our flights, something we have absolutely zero desire to do.

The fact you think y'all are entitled to our jumpseat on planes we own without reciprocity is the worst part of the mainline guys' reactions to this.
You may own the airplanes, but you don't own the flying. Big difference.
Old 09-11-2019 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
You may own the airplanes, but you don't own the flying. Big difference.


The jumpseat is ours. Seats in back, AAGs.


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