Republic Union pushing for J/S Priority
03-20-2021, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenscreek
My questioning had to do with more of the process of going direct to management as opposed to working through APA....
03-20-2021, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenscreek
I do not fly for AA, FedEx has hired a lot of Republic pilots over the last couple of years. We are not usually the first choice of many at Republic but I think most that have come to FedEx are happy with their choice. I was jumping on an AA flight recently and this topic was raised during the flight....
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03-20-2021, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Random Task
Anyone in opposition has a fundamental misunderstanding of the current system and what it is we are actually asking for, as evidenced by OP alluding to the past United issue.
Apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges.
This has been an issue for years. Mesa 175 pilots (who only fly United Express flights) used to claim “US Airways express pilot” priority on US Airways flights even though they did not support the US Airways operation whatsoever. In 2015 or so ATL based ASA pilots (who only flew for Delta) used to use the fact that their ID badges said “Expressjet” to claim “United Express pilot” priority on United flights.
No pilot should be able to claim elevated priority on multiple carriers.
03-20-2021, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BrewCity
What the IBT is asking is for a Republic pilot to be granted priority status on AA flights regardless of whether he just finished flying an AA, DL, or UA trip.
This has been an issue for years. Mesa 175 pilots (who only fly United Express flights) used to claim “US Airways express pilot” priority on US Airways flights even though they did not support the US Airways operation whatsoever. In 2015 or so ATL based ASA pilots (who only flew for Delta) used to use the fact that their ID badges said “Expressjet” to claim “United Express pilot” priority on United flights.
No pilot should be able to claim elevated priority on multiple carriers.
This has been an issue for years. Mesa 175 pilots (who only fly United Express flights) used to claim “US Airways express pilot” priority on US Airways flights even though they did not support the US Airways operation whatsoever. In 2015 or so ATL based ASA pilots (who only flew for Delta) used to use the fact that their ID badges said “Expressjet” to claim “United Express pilot” priority on United flights.
No pilot should be able to claim elevated priority on multiple carriers.
03-20-2021, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenscreek
Thanks for spelling it out from your perspective. I can certainly see your side of the issue. Good enough to fly your passengers but not good enough to get a priority in commuting home. Some of those issues also appear to be systematic in nature (non rev vs J/S and listing issues) and correcting those might go along way to improving everyone’s life....
I am not an AA pilot but OAL so I am also competing for those Jumpseat’s on my commute and have run into difficulties at times due to priorities. If you are given
Priority on AA and you are flying AA branded flights I can see your point. Although it does makes my life harder at times...
My questioning had to do with more of the process of going direct to management as opposed to working through APA.... Plus my understanding was that there was a threat towards AA pilots of putting them at the bottom of the list if AA didn’t agree to the change. Those were the “waves” I was referring to...
Finally I mentioned hiring only to emphasise the fact that I have flown with a lot of Republic pilots that we have hired in the last couple of years. That you guys (and girls) have a good group and I thought perhaps the waves generated by your Union’s methods might be counterproductive....
I am not an AA pilot but OAL so I am also competing for those Jumpseat’s on my commute and have run into difficulties at times due to priorities. If you are given
Priority on AA and you are flying AA branded flights I can see your point. Although it does makes my life harder at times...
My questioning had to do with more of the process of going direct to management as opposed to working through APA.... Plus my understanding was that there was a threat towards AA pilots of putting them at the bottom of the list if AA didn’t agree to the change. Those were the “waves” I was referring to...
Finally I mentioned hiring only to emphasise the fact that I have flown with a lot of Republic pilots that we have hired in the last couple of years. That you guys (and girls) have a good group and I thought perhaps the waves generated by your Union’s methods might be counterproductive....
They've known about it, but haven't done anything about it.
03-20-2021, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BrewCity
What the IBT is asking is for a Republic pilot to be granted priority status on AA flights regardless of whether he just finished flying an AA, DL, or UA trip.
This has been an issue for years. Mesa 175 pilots (who only fly United Express flights) used to claim “US Airways express pilot” priority on US Airways flights even though they did not support the US Airways operation whatsoever. In 2015 or so ATL based ASA pilots (who only flew for Delta) used to use the fact that their ID badges said “Expressjet” to claim “United Express pilot” priority on United flights.
No pilot should be able to claim elevated priority on multiple carriers.
This has been an issue for years. Mesa 175 pilots (who only fly United Express flights) used to claim “US Airways express pilot” priority on US Airways flights even though they did not support the US Airways operation whatsoever. In 2015 or so ATL based ASA pilots (who only flew for Delta) used to use the fact that their ID badges said “Expressjet” to claim “United Express pilot” priority on United flights.
No pilot should be able to claim elevated priority on multiple carriers.
The worst part about all this is the Republic pilots getting sh*t on again. None of us actually want to be here. But because our peers at the majors created this nightmare with scope here we are.
03-20-2021, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Do y’all work all three carriers on a 4 day trip there? Or is it carrier specific? Because why give Repubic pilots an advantage if they just came off working Delta or United. This is why Mesa is AAC, along with SKW. Is there someway to prove you only do flying on the AA side?? If not then no, it’s never going to happen. That’s the underlying problem y’all can’t seem to comprehend.
03-20-2021, 08:26 AM
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To be very clear for any visitors, the IBT has attempted to establish a dialogue with the APA many, many, many times. We have been entirely ignored every time. And then they have the audacity to comment about professionalism.
It is industry-standard for contract regional carriers to receive a priority bump over offline carriers. AA's current policy is the outlier in the industry, and the APA's opposition is wholly unwarranted. Republic and Skywest pilots each have priority already over offline carriers on both United and Delta, and there has been no retaliation by any of the airlines listed in the APA letter. First-Come, First-Serve is the industry standard for offline carriers. AA is not suddenly going to be below all other carriers because they agree to a jumpseat priority that is already industry-standard.
That said, AAG pilots will continue to be welcome on Republic jumpseats, regardless of the outcome. I, for one, look forward to the opportunity to have a respectful dialogue with any interested AAG pilots. There is considerable misinformation in the APA letter.
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It is industry-standard for contract regional carriers to receive a priority bump over offline carriers. AA's current policy is the outlier in the industry, and the APA's opposition is wholly unwarranted. Republic and Skywest pilots each have priority already over offline carriers on both United and Delta, and there has been no retaliation by any of the airlines listed in the APA letter. First-Come, First-Serve is the industry standard for offline carriers. AA is not suddenly going to be below all other carriers because they agree to a jumpseat priority that is already industry-standard.
That said, AAG pilots will continue to be welcome on Republic jumpseats, regardless of the outcome. I, for one, look forward to the opportunity to have a respectful dialogue with any interested AAG pilots. There is considerable misinformation in the APA letter.
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03-20-2021, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by amberdash
But it’s who they support? Why would Republic pilots not receive priority over Spirit and Southwest pilots on AA metal when Republic pilots actually support the American operation? It’s a very simple concept, I’m not sure how some don’t get it.
The worst part about all this is the Republic pilots getting sh*t on again. None of us actually want to be here. But because our peers at the majors created this nightmare with scope here we are.
The worst part about all this is the Republic pilots getting sh*t on again. None of us actually want to be here. But because our peers at the majors created this nightmare with scope here we are.
03-20-2021, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BrewCity
Because this same Republic pilot (for whom the IBT wants elevated priority on AA) might try to claim “United express carrier” priority and bump an AA pilot (who checked in first) off a UA flight next week.
That’s already happening
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