Republic 190's
10-19-2011, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
One list would have been fine if it was a realistic list that was fair and equitable to all parties. Unfortunately, the IBT chose not to participate in a reasonable mediation with the other parties.
Instead the IBT 'shot for the moon' with arbitrator Eishen and got it.
The resulting lopsided, unrealistic SLI guaranteed that the groups could never work together on any kind of 'one list', and as such, guaranteed a separation/sale of the Frontier product.
If the IBT had agreed to a reasonable mediated solution, 'one list' could have been workable and beneficial for all parties.
Instead, you will see Frontier sold. You will also see your 190s and some smaller branded ERJs disappear. Thank you IBT.
Instead the IBT 'shot for the moon' with arbitrator Eishen and got it.
The resulting lopsided, unrealistic SLI guaranteed that the groups could never work together on any kind of 'one list', and as such, guaranteed a separation/sale of the Frontier product.
If the IBT had agreed to a reasonable mediated solution, 'one list' could have been workable and beneficial for all parties.
Instead, you will see Frontier sold. You will also see your 190s and some smaller branded ERJs disappear. Thank you IBT.
10-19-2011, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Just want to make one point clear, we would LOVE to see the frontier side sold. RAH would lose a few airplanes, but its a small price to pay for ridding yourself of an endless money pit. On that note, as long as f9 is a part of RAH, there needs to be one list, end of story.
10-19-2011, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dougdrvr
Does this mean when the 190s are sold they will get rid of the 190 crews like they did with the 717 crews?
10-19-2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Homie
I could be wrong but sounds to me like contract negotiations a la bb style. Doom and gloom has always been this guys M.O and we're getting down to the 2 minute warning
10-19-2011, 06:24 PM
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The rumor is circulating at US Airways that Republic may be exploring selling BACK to US the 190s that US previously sold to RAH. The rumor goes on to state that these 190s added back to US would be deployed out of DCA in support of the expansion there driven by the slot swap deal.
10-19-2011, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook
The rumor is circulating at US Airways that Republic may be exploring selling BACK to US the 190s that US previously sold to RAH. The rumor goes on to state that these 190s added back to US would be deployed out of DCA in support of the expansion there driven by the slot swap deal.
10-19-2011, 06:59 PM
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Many of you may remember Gordon Bethune's book "From Worst to First: Behind the Scenes of Continental's Remarkable Comeback "?
BB's new book is coming out shortly "From First to Worst: Lessons on Turning a Top Regional Airline into a Bankrupt Major Airline, with forewords by WH on Union Busting and Bankruptcy Planning" It is supposed to fund his new tennis courts and Olympic size pool at his house.
Unfortunately for all concerned it truly looks like the fuse is lit on the Bankruptcy of RAH or a dramatic change at the top -- or both.
Not being able to make money on planes that are flying around 90+% full, with the lowest labor costs in the industry demonstrates a need for a change in leadership. I really think the BOD at RAH will soon have enough of BB's and WH's lack of performance and vision and require a change. Without a change at the top VERY soon, the Bankruptcy fuse will be VERY short.
BB's new book is coming out shortly "From First to Worst: Lessons on Turning a Top Regional Airline into a Bankrupt Major Airline, with forewords by WH on Union Busting and Bankruptcy Planning" It is supposed to fund his new tennis courts and Olympic size pool at his house.
Unfortunately for all concerned it truly looks like the fuse is lit on the Bankruptcy of RAH or a dramatic change at the top -- or both.
Not being able to make money on planes that are flying around 90+% full, with the lowest labor costs in the industry demonstrates a need for a change in leadership. I really think the BOD at RAH will soon have enough of BB's and WH's lack of performance and vision and require a change. Without a change at the top VERY soon, the Bankruptcy fuse will be VERY short.
10-20-2011, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by What
I am not sure about SCOPE at US, but wouldn't it be cheaper to have RAH fly the E190 for US. You don't mean to tell me that all this turmoil and inability to find qualified pilots is affecting performance and negating the savings gained by outsourcing to the lowest bidder?
I think all flying should be flown by the lowest bidder and the brand names like United and US Airways and American should just be shells with all operations outsourced. China could bring in their tens of thousands of qualified pilots (trained at US schools) and fly under Chinese rules. Americans will love getting the most bang for their buck. And they won't have those damn unions mucking things up with annoying 'regulations' that involve safety. Damn union pilots with their demands like being paid and having days off. Seriously, who needs that if we can get a cheaper supplier of labor? Bring on the A330!
Those pesky pilots and their scope clauses..... sheesh.
10-20-2011, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by saab2000
While we're at it, why not start flying some Airbuses for US Airways. I bet they could find a company willing to fly the 330 and probably even the 767. Why have pilots at all at US Airways. They're so pesky.
I think all flying should be flown by the lowest bidder and the brand names like United and US Airways and American should just be shells with all operations outsourced. China could bring in their tens of thousands of qualified pilots (trained at US schools) and fly under Chinese rules. Americans will love getting the most bang for their buck. And they won't have those damn unions mucking things up with annoying 'regulations' that involve safety. Damn union pilots with their demands like being paid and having days off. Seriously, who needs that if we can get a cheaper supplier of labor? Bring on the A330!
Those pesky pilots and their scope clauses..... sheesh.
I think all flying should be flown by the lowest bidder and the brand names like United and US Airways and American should just be shells with all operations outsourced. China could bring in their tens of thousands of qualified pilots (trained at US schools) and fly under Chinese rules. Americans will love getting the most bang for their buck. And they won't have those damn unions mucking things up with annoying 'regulations' that involve safety. Damn union pilots with their demands like being paid and having days off. Seriously, who needs that if we can get a cheaper supplier of labor? Bring on the A330!
Those pesky pilots and their scope clauses..... sheesh.
10-20-2011, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by What
All jokes aside, would the US SCOPE allow RAH to fly the E190 for them. Of course I don't want to see that, I am just curious how is it that RAH has airplanes that they can't find someone to fly for, is this a corporate tactic to gain leverage over the pilots. I understand that the no one is looking for 50 seaters and that the Q400 fleet is to small (4) to be operated efficiently but just wondering why they are looking to unload 7 Ejets.
All that flying needs to be brought back in house. Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to unring that bell.
Scope protection is weak in many contracts because I think most negotiators thought it impossible what would happen. It never occurred to many folks that so much flying would be outsourced.
The clear lesson to be learned is that if something is not specifically prohibited in a contract, it is permitted. If it is not illegal, it is legal.
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