Originally Posted by crjscum

Yeah not much life at all, these next 2+ years of getting a $23,000 bonus is pretty much nothing. And after it's done? Well I'm sure that there will be plenty of pilots coming down the training pipe for them to hire, what with all the new commercial certificates being issued year after year so there will be no need to pay us more than $30 an hour after 2018. Yep, sounds like anyone's guess........

Please, my guess is it'll just be that much better with the rest of the industry finally trying to match Endeavor after almost 2 years. Money talks, and they are finally seeing that it gets bodies in seats, not just the promise of shiny new planes. We're headed in the right direction and it's a good thing for all of us.

As for rumors, $60/hr first year has been kicked around a lot lately. That wouldn't be too bad.

Originally Posted by NewOldGuy

I don't disagree with your first paragraph and I think SkyWest is a very reasonable option, but I don't understand why everyone has said for a year, "isn't much life left in that"?
There's 27 months left on the current retention bonus.
There's already management work going on to either extend it or roll it into the pay scales (they've even hinted that could happen before the end of this year).
I won't argue which regional is better, etc, that's very much a personal preference. But don't want to allow misinformation to someone either.


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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight

I hope you aren't taking my post out of context.
I'm not trying to knock anyone's pay or contracts. Actually quite the opposite..I'm thrilled for the recent improvements that have been made in terms of compensation at every regional.
All I'm doing is laying out facts.
Will Endeavors pay be increased when the bonuses expire? All signs point to yes. But then again everyone's pay at every regional should be going up at the places that want to stay competitive and continue hiring pilots.
But the fact of the matter is at this moment the money you're making in bonuses is not yet rolled into your hourly rate. Again I'm not saying it won't be, but that is peering into the crystal ball again and anyone who throws out any numbers at this point is either hopeful or lying.

Originally Posted by gojo

One thing to remember is with the exception of flow, Delta seems to lead the way in this industry. All others seem to be more reactive to what Delta does and try to play catch up. And while I agree, it's nice to see almost all regional airlines pay going up. Look at how long it took to become competitive to the Endeavor package? I'm pretty confidant that as the gap narrows Delta will make an appropriate change that will make Endeavor more attractive. What that will be, who knows at this point. Another consideration is, will the non-wholly owned airlines be able to compete as the pay and benefits goes up at the wholly owned airlines?

Originally Posted by glassnpowder98

File for chapter 11, renegotiate CPA's, hope you have enough daily departures that a disruption to the service you provide will drastically impact the system, rinse, then repeat.

Originally Posted by stringandrudder

Thanks for reading.

I've been going nuts trying to decide on which regional to got to. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Endeavor and Republic. I have a CJO from Endeavor currently and an interview with Republic later this month.

Here is what's important to me:

- NYC Base. EWR not an option. Endeavor has JFK and LGA. RAH only LGA. If RAH pulls out of LGA, it's quite undesirable. Endeavor is making a big push for NYC, which is great imo.

- Pay/work rules. Republic's contract has higher pay rates. Endeavor has the bonus. Delta could theoretically take that away at any point. An extra guaranteed day off at republic (12) instead of Endeavor's (11) would mean 1 more day per month to pick up open time at a higher pay rate. I don't know much about the "work rules," side of it, but I've "heard," that they're not as good at RAH.

- Stability. As far as I'm concerned, every regional has the same fate - no one ever knows what it is. However, looking at the current snapshot, Endeavor has the full support of Delta. They're a top performer and it doesn't seem like they're going anywhere. Current growth looks great. I've heard mixed things about the RAH bankruptcy. Some say it's been bloody, others say the future looks bright. The new AA deal confirms that they'll most likely pull through. It seems like an unnecessary risk though. Flying for all 3 legacies can be a good thing though?

Thanks for your comments. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Rahlifer

I wouldn't get too excited about the pay and work rules at republic. They've already done away with the extra pay for open time. The one extra day off per month doesn't mean much because the new contract allows you to be forced to work into a day off. Ya get 4 hours and some change for your troubles, but no restoration of lost days off anymore.

Originally Posted by JG4245

You still get 125% for open time right? (I think that was the number they were advertising). Also, can you elaborate on how you are forced to work into your day off? I'm new to the 121 world and have offers from both companies. I'm leaning towards RAH and have a class date in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by gojo

Okay, not sure why this point was made? This is the airlines, not any airline specifically. And remember, there's a limit to filing bankruptcy