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Old 02-15-2018, 10:14 AM
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The cause was lack of airmanship, loss of SA and poor decision making all leading to a stall.

The company is going to take a HUGE hit on this as the SIC wasn't even suppose to be flying the airplane

Everything about the mishap just makes me hang my head and wonder WHY? So needless on so many levels.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDooo View Post
Just read through this, so this is just the NTSB putting all the facts down as it pertained to flight etc?

I didnt see a cause?
Yes, just factual matter as of release date. The NTSB will have public hearing(s); take testimony in open; then write the final report with findings as to cause and recommendations.

It’s ugly, alright.

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Yes, sad and hard to explain for many, but having been at a 135 operator many moons ago, I can easily see captains like this one being in the seat. And co-pilots who were not given the airmanship and mentoring we were given in our services. 135 Operators are going to be testing what minimum qualifications mean for years.

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Captain - convicted of assault with a deadly weapon and multiple check ride busts and issues.
FO - convicted of 3rd degree assault on a police officer and multiple check ride busts.

Sometime a history of judgment lapses and poor flying ability are just what they appear to be. Results kind of speak for themselves.
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The dark corners of aviation are dark indeed. Hate to say it, but there are hundreds, maybe more, of those types out there just waiting for the chance to make it in the big time. Note that both hid material facts on their medical applications.

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Old 02-15-2018, 02:37 PM
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Reading through the interviews on this report, apparently the passengers they took into PHL and were later scheduled to be taken to TEB were shaken up pretty badly upon arrival. So much so, that they elected to drive opposed to stepping onboard that plane again. Speaks volumes and was obviously the smartest decision of their lives.


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Old 02-15-2018, 03:58 PM
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Reading the CVR transcript reminds me of the color codes ... Condition White ... X2. RIP.
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Reading through the interviews on this report, apparently the passengers they took into PHL and were later scheduled to be taken to TEB were shaken up pretty badly upon arrival. So much so, that they elected to drive opposed to stepping onboard that plane again. Speaks volumes and was obviously the smartest decision of their lives.


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Old 02-15-2018, 07:18 PM
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https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...B1D7E1A8C1647A
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Also little or no oversight from the FAA.
“Well it’s on demand so we can’t schedule an observation”...

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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Also little or no oversight from the FAA.
“Well it’s on demand so we can’t schedule an observation”...

Where did you see this?
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