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Old 12-20-2019, 05:53 AM
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Based on what I’ve read I wouldn’t call the Captain weak.
He never failed the ride, he wasn’t recommended and he passed after he was.
A very recent upgrade with 157 hrs PIC on the 767 basically means 2-3 months as Captain.
Then he gets paired with somebody who apparently had a fatal flaw in his skills.
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:58 AM
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I’m trying to figure this one out too. A/P engaged, G/A activated, and yet the plane nose dives into the swamp???
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:03 AM
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Yikes, always sad anytime there’s a fatal accident but especially when a perfectly good airplane goes down. It’s clear that either PRIA doesn’t work as intended or Atlas doesn’t do background checks correctly.
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:19 AM
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PRIA must be useless, or airlines are just ignoring it and play dumb. I'm astounded he got hired at Atlas with that work record, they must be a lot more desperate than I thought. Ditto for Mesa. I hope this gets picked up by the media, maybe in conjunction with a story about the pilot shortage.

I'm also curious about the work records of the pilots involved in the runway overshoot at NAS JAX. That Captain with 13 years made about the same as a 3yr F/O at Delta.
Atlas management has far too much integrity to ever do that.
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:25 AM
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Why aren’t the companies required to send info to a central database so potential employers just pull from there instead of requiring the good will of an applicant to be honest with prior employment?

This is a systematic failure exploited by someone who wanted a career as a pilot and lied as a result. Just wow.

As someone else previously said, this will happen again.


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Old 12-20-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17 View Post
I’m trying to figure this one out too. A/P engaged, G/A activated, and yet the plane nose dives into the swamp???
The A/P wasn't engaged. I don't really care what the report says... It's obvious that the A/P wasn't engaged from what happened and from the video where you can see the jet pull up.
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Based on what I’ve read I wouldn’t call the Captain weak.
He never failed the ride, he wasn’t recommended and he passed after he was.
A very recent upgrade with 157 hrs PIC on the 767 basically means 2-3 months as Captain.
Then he gets paired with somebody who apparently had a fatal flaw in his skills.
He almost washed out for his FO OE if I'm reading his training records correctly. I've heard he was a little weak but not as weak as the FO. The FO never should've been in an airplane unless he was riding in Coach.
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:42 AM
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Why aren’t the companies required to send info to a central database so potential employers just pull from there instead of requiring the good will of an applicant to be honest with prior employment?
It was mandated by law after colgan, it's called the "Pilot Record Database" and it's only partially functional to date. Your FAA records (specific stuff, not everything) are available but the employer records part has not been implemented yet.

Employers were directed years ago to start saving relevant data for future inclusion so when it goes operational it should go back about ten years. Although it will probably be more complete for records created after the date of implementation.

Caution: the airman records are not necessarily complete (mine are not) and accurate in PRD, so just because something is missing in PRD do NOT assume an employer can't get it via PRIA or FOIA.

I'm guessing this situation will lead to an expedited full implementation of PRD
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It was mandated by law after colgan, it's called the "Pilot Record Database" and it's only partially functional to date. Your FAA records (specific stuff, not everything) are available but the employer records part has not been implemented yet.



Employers were directed years ago to start saving relevant data for future inclusion so when it goes operational it should go back about ten years. Although it will probably be more complete for records created after the date of implementation.



Caution: the airman records are not necessarily complete (mine are not) and accurate in PRD, so just because something is missing in PRD do NOT assume an employer can't get it via PRIA or FOIA.



I'm guessing this situation will lead to an expedited full implementation of PRD


Hmm... FAA oversight failures.


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Old 12-20-2019, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R View Post
Hmm... FAA oversight failures.


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I wouldn't say failure. More like typical speed of government (which looks a lot like failure from a distance).
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