I may be wrong on this but I believe the FAA was in on the 767 Type Ride that was a bust...

 

Yeah, I was talking recurrent: How to eliminate a problem, let the Fed fail them, no pressure on the training department to pass a weak link because he or she was a certain skin color.
No problem with a white male of course, easy to let go for good.

 

I get why people are bringing this up and from what I understand that card had been played at various points, BUT understand that Atlas is looking to pass everyone of all colors and sexes equally because they have pretty big staffing issues. I know several do think that diversity was an issue here but I bet there are a ton of white males walking around Atlas right now who have no business flying airplanes that were hired during this boom. HR "missed" their failed upgrades and "voluntary resignations" too.

The standard needs to be strictly enforced in the training department from here on out as a shield from what management is ramming down the company's throat. It sucks that it has to be that way but I don't see the FAA swooping in to save the day here. I just don't...

 

That is also my take. But I wanted to see if I was missing something.

I believe in justice, and DB taking the fall here is not justice -- just another victim. But I am pigheadedly idealistic about these things.

Put people under pressure for long enough and they will comply with the unspoken demands of senior leadership. I would think that MBAs would learn the danger of this during one of their courses in leadership.

Just kidding about the last half.

But it will be a travesty if the people on that interview list are the only ones held accountable. Or, for that matter, anywhere near the front of the list. And here is today's dose of bull****.

EDIT: So much for ESG investing.

 

No certainly not. But I think the minute a company is made aware of a falsification of records an investigation should be made. 2 people (myself and gatorhater) gave examples of this and it sounds like in either case the FAA was not made aware of a pilot falsifying records.

 

The FAA only cares if you falsify records that have to do with getting ratings or logging currency (or your medical).
You can lie on an application all day long and the FAA does have the right to care - it is private industry. Lying on an application only matters to the company to which you are applying. Oh yeah.....there is that BS about ‘good moral character’ and holding an ATP; but heck....think of the pilot shortage there would be if every pilot that lied about something aviation related (think fishing stories!) had their ATP revoked. In any case - the FAA has nothing to do with this pilot lying or misrepresentingvhimself on an application to any airline.

 

No problem firing the white males for incompetence, they can’t sue for
discrimination.
Try to fire some poor minority, female, transgender whatever for lack of performance or common sense and your operation be toast..

Way back with Tower Air we were 100% white males. The Feds told us to change that and hire some minority or they would do it for us.
We hired a white female co-pilot but the Saudis did not want her for the haj contracts and guys senior to her had to sit reserve in Jeddah instead. (Not her fault, but not fair to the male guys either)
The US State Department should have kicked in and demanded common sense, but oil and defense money was much more important.
She is now a thorn in Delta’s hide and she wrote books..

 

In our case (one of the ‘more respected regionals‘) the guy didn’t lie, it was just missed. He never claimed to have a multi, he thought that was just part of the program. A sim instructor discovered the error somewhere in training. Someone with more info than me mentioned it should be more of an embarrassment to the hiring process than a reflection on the kid. Many people missed it during several steps in the process.

Even the libertarian capitalist in me says the FAA should have some anonymous info to audit the airline and protect the public.

 

The FAA’s only role in a case like that would be if he presented to a ASI or DPE falsified logbooks to gain a new certificate/rating.

Again....if the guy applied to a job and didn’t have the requirements, that isn’t on the FAA as long as he gained what he did have legally.

 

Yes, FAA is not, and should not be, in the business of managing HR stuff for airlines or pilots.

Conventional wisdom in the real world is to NOT include adverse information on your resume... it's your marketing tool. I would not hold that against an applicant at all. He had of course better be honest on the application and interview.

If the company needs to know about short/unsuccessful periods of employment, they need to ask you (on the app or interview).

The flaw in the current system is that while PRIA is legally mandated, if the applicant doesn't admit to previous employment and doesn't fill out a PRIA form then it's hard for an employer to find out. The FAA PRD will fix that, at least as far as employers which are required to participate.

The fundamental issue here is that our hero lied. That's happened before, and is why we got PRIA and eventually PRD. I think the PRIA functions should be consolidated into PRD, the whole process of spam mailing government forms to previous employers is cumbersome and was developed in the 1990's... before the interwebs were really a thing.

The pilot shortage is of course an aggravating factor... in the past airline employers did not like applicants with mysterious gaps in their record. That year off you spent backpacking through upper mongolia could cost you jobs as a pilot... they assumed you were either in prison or flying dope for the cartels, and it was hard and/or expensive to satisfy themselves otherwise. Next applicant.