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Old 01-30-2020 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Don't know what a guy with that kind of money was doing using a single-pilot VFR operator in a cloud-prone area. The pilot's certs and ratings seem pretty basic, not sure if you'd expect a professional helo pilot to have perhaps some heavier type ratings?
There are very few civil helos that require type ratings. The S92 and Boeing 234 (Chinook) come to mind, and maybe the bigger AW and Eurocopters. There would be very few opportunities for type ratings in these aircraft.

Zobayan had Comm helo, instrument helo, and helo CFII. The only apple missing is ATP. IMHO, his times would be considered quite acceptable for his job. I am sorry I cannot recall where I read the breakdown on his total time (8200), helo time, and time in type.
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Old 01-30-2020 | 09:48 AM
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Are autopilots common in helos? Or even more specifically in the S76? As a guy who has never even ridden in a helo, I genuinely don’t know. Just wondering if that capability is there to help out in single pilot situations like this?

Also I agree with someone else that the pressure of getting to the basketball game will likely be a major factor. That even may have been what drove the decision to not file IFR.
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Old 01-30-2020 | 09:55 AM
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He couldn't file instruments because the company operating cert. was VFR only.

I don't know if the S76B is approved for single-pilot IFR. Help, anybody?
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Old 01-30-2020 | 12:31 PM
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Reading a rotor forum, they say that the S76B can be flown single pilot IFR with the proper FUNCTIONING autopilot and company certification. They say most rotor guys in the LA area fly I Follow Roads.
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Old 01-30-2020 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by EasternATC
He couldn't file instruments because the company operating cert. was VFR only.

I don't know if the S76B is approved for single-pilot IFR. Help, anybody?
This answers SO many questions. I'm hopeful it will result in some changes. The corporate helicopter world sounds a lot like pre-regulation day airplane barnstorming days.
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Old 01-30-2020 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KonaJoe
I'm hopeful it will result in some changes.
I think it will... they couldn't have come up with a better way to get the eye of mordor glaring at them if they had tried to.
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Old 01-30-2020 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
Highly, highly unlikely. True, he hit just below a crest of a small ridge, but that ridge was surrounded by other much higher ridges. Factor in that he was descending at 2000fpm (disoriented and out of control), the fact that he hit 20-30’ below a ridge was pure, well, I don’t want to say coincident but he had to hit somewhere. As a former Navy helo pilot and prior S-76 pilot in the Gulf of Mexico where we flew IFR routinely during the winter, I don’t understand how he lost control so easily. He did the wrong thing by scud running in those hills, but then he did the right thing by getting on the gauges and trying to climb above the terrain. If he was rated/current/proficient on instruments, he should have been able to pull that off.
Here's how it goes down in most CFIT accidents:

AIrcraft is running in the obscuration and can't see more than a few hundred feet ahead, if that. Maybe even trying to let down. They think they are in a safe corridor or area, but when the vis is low it plays all sorts of tricks and you don't realize you are not quite where you think you are. Suddenly, a mountain/hill approaches right in front. They pull back for all they are worth, gaining altitude, but it's not quite enough and they crash just below the top of the mountain/ridge/hill. More than a few have skipped off the front side (just below the top) to tumble down the backside. It happens too fast due to their forward speed. It's usually not a climbing maneuver because they "entered IMC". It's a last-ditch climbing maneuver because cumulus-granite appeared right in front.
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Old 01-31-2020 | 09:57 AM
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^^^^ except for the part about the 2000 fpm descent right before impact.

FYI, for those asking, AOPA is reporting that the pilot had 1250 time in type...
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Old 01-31-2020 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tandem46
Highly, highly unlikely. True, he hit just below a crest of a small ridge, but that ridge was surrounded by other much higher ridges. Factor in that he was descending at 2000fpm (disoriented and out of control), the fact that he hit 20-30’ below a ridge was pure, well, I don’t want to say coincident but he had to hit somewhere. As a former Navy helo pilot and prior S-76 pilot in the Gulf of Mexico where we flew IFR routinely during the winter, I don’t understand how he lost control so easily. He did the wrong thing by scud running in those hills, but then he did the right thing by getting on the gauges and trying to climb above the terrain. If he was rated/current/proficient on instruments, he should have been able to pull that off.
When flying a helo in IMC, what is the minimum forward speed you can maintain?
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Old 01-31-2020 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
^^^^ except for the part about the 2000 fpm descent right before impact.

FYI, for those asking, AOPA is reporting that the pilot had 1250 time in type...
I was speaking generically, but yes. I was considering adding this and talking about the specific accident more. Definitely can't rule out mechanical.
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