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Old 03-04-2019, 04:35 PM   #21  
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Well....As long as they keep their jobs they still have a chance of making it to the majors via a flow. Otherwise this ďdingĒ will make it very difficult to go anywhere.
Except that they work for CommutAir, and they have no flow.
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Well....As long as they keep their jobs they still have a chance of making it to the majors via a flow. Otherwise this “ding” will make it very difficult to go anywhere.
Don’t prejudge the mishap board but if one or both are assigned blame, I doubt that a flow agreement would save them. Everything, AA flow, United CPP, Delta DGI, or anyone’s pinky promise, all of them are written in smoke if the major really decides they don’t want THAT applicant.
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Donít prejudge the mishap board but if one or both are assigned blame, I doubt that a flow agreement would save them. Everything, AA flow, United CPP, Delta DGI, or anyoneís pinky promise, all of them are written in smoke if the major really decides they donít want THAT applicant.
Actually. Thatís exactly what the flow does...it flows. No smoke and mirrors. As far as blame...none given.
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Actually. Thatís exactly what the flow does...it flows. No smoke and mirrors. As far as blame...none given.
There are always ways to force out an undesirable candidate while theyíre on probation.
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Correction it is a 145 XR. Not very many of those around and UAL is flying all of them, around 90 total. UAL wants to keep all the XRs flying.
Arenít you getting more from Xjet?
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From the United 2018 Annual Report, which was put out on Feb 22nd, 2019.

Total 145s (XR, LR, ER)

Total Under CPA: 176
Owned by UAL: 82
Leased by UAL: 90
Owned or Leased by Regional Carrier: 4

Expressjet: 105
TransStates: 40
Commutair: 31

"In addition to the aircraft presented in the tables above, United owned the following aircraft listed below as of December 31, 2018: Three Embraer ERJ 145s, which are temporarily grounded."

"During the third quarter of 2018, United entered into an agreement with the lessor of 54 Embraer ERJ 145 aircraft to purchase those aircraft in 2019. The provisions of such agreement resulted in a change in accounting classification of the applicable leases from operating leases to capital leases up until the applicable purchase date"
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Correction it is a 145 XR. Not very many of those around and UAL is flying all of them, around 90 total. UAL wants to keep all the XRs flying.
Tail numbers for the Continental Airlines XR production ran from 101 to 204. That's 103 of them.

And United does not have all the XR's that were made.

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Well....As long as they keep their jobs they still have a chance of making it to the majors via a flow. Otherwise this “ding” will make it very difficult to go anywhere.
I would argue that a better strategy to get to the majors would be to carefully run performance numbers, and land in the zone out of stabilized approaches.

As opposed to wrecking planes, hoping you don't get fired, and that the flow will somehow maybe still work.

Flow works for a GED, a checkride bust, and maybe a DUI. Doubt it would work for this, even if they had it. Good news is the truck driving schools are also paying bonuses right now.
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There are only certain provision in the flow for new hire pilots. This would not be one.

Iím just saying itís a good insurance policy to have. Everyone here could find themselves in a similar situation. No one wants to check that box on an application. The computer system might even toss out Sullys app.
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