Originally Posted by rickair7777

Reuters says they landed on the grass.

AVherald quotes the FAA as saying the same thing.

Personally I think it's far more likely it was excursion off the pavement, but like I said before I did see a guy try to land in the grass once.

Originally Posted by Melit

Where there injuries? A total hull loss?

Originally Posted by John Carr

We’re they off the runway?

Originally Posted by Melit

Yes!! You are

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm saying the flow is not 100% reliable, if you get on their radar in a big way they will find a way to not flow you. Especially if we are talking AA... Has nothing to do with NTSB, they're not involved in hiring in any way, has more to do with what's on the six o'clock news.

But I do agree that flow is generally a good thing to have as a backup, unless you it's going to cost you a lot of money or QOL. If you hang out and wait to flow, as opposed to to trying to get out early, that will cost you a lot of money. Plus you never when flow might get cancelled, that's only happened two or three times before.

For clarity, I'm talking about flow and major hiring in general, not this particular accident specifically since they don't even have flow, ie not speculating. Flow is not an absolute in all cases, still better try to keep your nose clean. And get out early in case something happens to the flow.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Depends on who you read if it was a runway excursion or a landing on dirt. Pay your penny and take your pick:

https://www.reuters.com/article/comm...-idUSL3N20R4I2

Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle on Mar 4th 2019, runway excursion, hard landing and gear collapse

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

Maybe you haven’t seen the pictures...
They were just posted to Pro Pilots on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/45547021971...7145494791972/

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Yeah, they're off the pavement but we already knew that. Don't know if they started on the pavement and subsequently departed, or just skipped the pavement entirely. Not familiar with the airport so don't know what all pavement is in that immediate area.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Yeah, they're off the pavement but we already knew that. Don't know if they started on the pavement and subsequently departed, or just skipped the pavement entirely. Not familiar with the airport so don't know what all pavement is in that immediate area.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

I'm not sure we're looking at the same photos...
I'm no investigator, but looking at those, there is no way they bounced off the runway to land over there, created those tracks, for that far, in that direction.... if they did, it was one heck of bounce.
You can see the initial impact in the photos, a bounce, and then the track to where it came to rest.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

I'm not sure we're looking at the same photos...
I'm no investigator, but looking at those, there is no way they bounced off the runway to land over there, created those tracks, for that far, in that direction.... if they did, it was one heck of bounce.
You can see the initial impact in the photos, a bounce, and then the track to where it came to rest.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

I'm not sure we're looking at the same photos...
I'm no investigator, but looking at those, there is no way they bounced off the runway to land over there, created those tracks, for that far, in that direction.... if they did, it was one heck of bounce.
You can see the initial impact in the photos, a bounce, and then the track to where it came to rest.