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03-06-2019, 02:03 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by Cubatticus
I’m new to this so please forgive my ignorance but how exactly could this affect the pilot group at Commutair moving forward? Or the industry as a whole?
Definitely glad everyone is alright.
03-06-2019, 02:14 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by dera
Looking at the tracks, it's hard to imagine a trajectory that would've started from the runway.
Looks like it runs paraller to the runway all the way from the touchdown zone.
Looks like it runs paraller to the runway all the way from the touchdown zone.
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
I'm not sure we're looking at the same photos...
I'm no investigator, but looking at those, there is no way they bounced off the runway to land over there, created those tracks, for that far, in that direction.... if they did, it was one heck of bounce.
You can see the initial impact in the photos, a bounce, and then the track to where it came to rest.
I'm no investigator, but looking at those, there is no way they bounced off the runway to land over there, created those tracks, for that far, in that direction.... if they did, it was one heck of bounce.
You can see the initial impact in the photos, a bounce, and then the track to where it came to rest.
03-06-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Anyone know which runway that is? Says they were trying to land on 01.
I'd say they "parked" pretty close to the segmented circle/windsock.
03-06-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by longlongtimeago
As am I. So, I'm also curious how this affects the pilot group at Commutair moving forward? Where everyone walked away from the accident, does it still put it in the same category as Colgan and Pinnacle?
But if UAL already wasn't happy with their performance, this would almost certainly give them a contractual out. If they're cheap and reliable, they might get a pass.
03-06-2019, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
That's 1. 10-28 crosses close to the threshold, you can see the sign in the pic.
In that case it does look like they landed to the side of the runway. As I said, I saw someone try it once. Is there a VASI on the right side of 01?
03-06-2019, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Historically, no, the industry tends to sweep this sort of thing under the rug if they don't have 50+ corpses to explain away.
But if UAL already wasn't happy with their performance, this would almost certainly give them a contractual out. If they're cheap and reliable, they might get a pass.
But if UAL already wasn't happy with their performance, this would almost certainly give them a contractual out. If they're cheap and reliable, they might get a pass.
03-06-2019, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
A little hard to tell from the angle which way the sign was aligned. 10/28 must not have been plowed.
In that case it does look like they landed to the side of the runway. As I said, I saw someone try it once. Is there a VASI on the right side of 01?
In that case it does look like they landed to the side of the runway. As I said, I saw someone try it once. Is there a VASI on the right side of 01?
03-06-2019, 02:59 PM
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Uh...from memory...looked this up right after it happened:
The ILS is to runway 01.
There is a full MALSR.
I think the PAPI for runway 19 was NOTAM'd OAS..? Don't remember.
If you pull the 'historical' WX from NWS page, right about the time of their arrival, the vis went down to 1/2 mi.
The ILS is to runway 01.
There is a full MALSR.
I think the PAPI for runway 19 was NOTAM'd OAS..? Don't remember.
If you pull the 'historical' WX from NWS page, right about the time of their arrival, the vis went down to 1/2 mi.
Last edited by cursesRedBaron; 03-06-2019 at 03:07 PM. Reason: Corrected PAPI - for runway 19
03-06-2019, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cursesRedBaron
Uh...from memory...looked this up right after it happened:
The ILS is to runway 01.
There is a full MALSR.
I think the PAPI was NOTAM'd OAS..? Don't remember.
If you pull the 'historical' WX from NWS page, right about the time of their arrival, the vis went down to 1/2 mi.
The ILS is to runway 01.
There is a full MALSR.
I think the PAPI was NOTAM'd OAS..? Don't remember.
If you pull the 'historical' WX from NWS page, right about the time of their arrival, the vis went down to 1/2 mi.
In "whiteout" conditions, flying a visual approach, I would almost understand how you land off runway like that.
But from an ILS with low visibility?
03-06-2019, 03:12 PM
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Maybe the lights timed out right as they were on final?
Just brainstorming...but, an unmonitored airport would likely have pilot controlled lighting...might 'time out' right about the end of a second approach?
With the lights off...I could see flat light conditions with all the snow.
Just brainstorming...but, an unmonitored airport would likely have pilot controlled lighting...might 'time out' right about the end of a second approach?
With the lights off...I could see flat light conditions with all the snow.
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