TRK CL60 Crash
08-18-2023, 06:37 AM
#24
Disinterested Third Party
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Relevant to the same discussion; the former (more recent) on circling approaches; the impetus was the Truckee mishap:
NTSB issues alert on circling approaches
NTSB issues alert on circling approaches
09-07-2023, 03:49 PM
#25
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NTSB Final on CL600 Crash at TRK
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/a...ort/103554/pdf
Not much new info, I think all the major info is already out there.
Not much new info, I think all the major info is already out there.
09-08-2023, 11:38 AM
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Ignoring; John Burke.
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Lack of positive control transfer has cause so many accidents, particularly in training, OE type flights, or joy riding with a GA pilot trying to show off.
One thing I have always insisted on when flying with another pilot, outside of the airline, is their acknowledgment of who is PIC, what is the phrase to transfer control, and if I am flying with a GA pilot who is not professional, I tell them to immediately relinquish the controls if they hear me say “ I HAVE THE AIRCRAFT”. Often time with GA types, I get a strange look, as if they’re thinking…”well that’s a little dramatic…nothing is gonna happen.”
It has kept me alive through 45 years of many odd types and weird situations that develop, including one numbskull that stalled a DC3 with me in the right seat, during a PC.
One thing I have always insisted on when flying with another pilot, outside of the airline, is their acknowledgment of who is PIC, what is the phrase to transfer control, and if I am flying with a GA pilot who is not professional, I tell them to immediately relinquish the controls if they hear me say “ I HAVE THE AIRCRAFT”. Often time with GA types, I get a strange look, as if they’re thinking…”well that’s a little dramatic…nothing is gonna happen.”
It has kept me alive through 45 years of many odd types and weird situations that develop, including one numbskull that stalled a DC3 with me in the right seat, during a PC.
09-15-2023, 09:21 AM
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Another article offering a summation of the NTSB final, this one from the Aircraft Rescue and Firefighting Working Group: https://arffwg.org/news/ntsb-release...rt%20%28TRK%29.
The focus of the article is on the CRM lapse, but touches on each point of the report's coverage of the error chain. Were this the proverbial swiss cheese model, the rats would be long gone and there would be no cheese remaining. Just one big hole. While many incidents are a weak link in a chain, in this case, the entire chain had so many problems that it was made of weak links, beginning to end, and more than a few broke.
The focus of the article is on the CRM lapse, but touches on each point of the report's coverage of the error chain. Were this the proverbial swiss cheese model, the rats would be long gone and there would be no cheese remaining. Just one big hole. While many incidents are a weak link in a chain, in this case, the entire chain had so many problems that it was made of weak links, beginning to end, and more than a few broke.
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