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Old 09-02-2021, 04:24 PM
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No experience on type but that seems like a big airplane for a little runway.
Really only SE piston and one helicopter showing on Flightaware.
Kathryn's Report: Cessna 560 Citation XLS+, N560AR: Fatal accident occurred September 02, 2021 near Robertson Field Airport (4B8), Plainville, Hartford County, Connecticut
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Old 09-03-2021, 10:30 AM
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It's a slowtation, probably fine with a low GTOW (only two pax).
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Not what they commonly call 'slowtations' IME and they operate C-680s out of there too....but I bet you end up finding some procedural errors out of this one.
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Not what they commonly call 'slowtations' IME and they operate C-680s out of there too....but I bet you end up finding some procedural errors out of this one.
Yeah, I meant it's in the realm of bizjets designed to operate out of smaller fields so as to open up convenient access to more locations.
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Bizarre. JB makes a solid case that the brakes were applied throughout the TO roll. Not the parking brake, but anti-skid and the skid marks show it...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWltLbCLOI
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While short, a 560XL can takeoff from that runway. It's a straight wing jet. That airport has (or had) a 135 jet operator out of there. The brake marks during the takeoff roll seem very similar to the 560XL crash in Oroville, CA in 2019. It also had skid marks on the runway.
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3665’ runway under the 60% rule gives 2200’
Quick online search on 560 performance figures shows numbers that are significantly higher but those are probably all MTOW and MLW.
In any case this was likely a Part 91 operation?
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Bizarre. JB makes a solid case that the brakes were applied throughout the TO roll. Not the parking brake, but anti-skid and the skid marks show it...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWltLbCLOI
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Watching the YT video I wonder if they had a pax sit right seat for the take off.
In light GA aircraft I would always brief “feet pulled back flat on the floor” where I can see them until we’re at altitude.
This for first time flyers or sight seeing or introduction flights.
Its hard to believe a professional crew would have their feet on the brakes without communicating.
Or was this one career pilot and a random day rate stranger on the right seat?
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Edit feature timed out on my previous post.
Watching the YT video I wonder if they had a pax sit right seat for the take off.
In light GA aircraft I would always brief “feet pulled back flat on the floor” where I can see them until we’re at altitude.
This for first time flyers or sight seeing or introduction flights.
Its hard to believe a professional crew would have their feet on the brakes without communicating.
Or was this one career pilot and a random day rate stranger on the right seat?
My understanding is that the crew were two older, experienced pros. Bizarre.

And even a 250 CPL would know not to ride the brakes.

But they'll probably know who was in which seat by now.
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
3665’ runway under the 60% rule gives 2200’
Quick online search on 560 performance figures shows numbers that are significantly higher but those are probably all MTOW and MLW.
In any case this was likely a Part 91 operation?
Yes, short flight and only two out of nine possible pax seats filled so likely well below MGTOW.
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