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Old 10-24-2009 | 06:58 AM
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Each service is told to SECURE a building:

Navy -
Closes all the hatches, turns off all the lights, turns off the a/c, and posts a watch in another building and waits for the coffee to brew.


Army -
Surrounds the building with weapons pointing outwards, strings razor wire, installs floodlights and a mine field, posts sentries and checks ID cards.

Marines -
Attacks the building with coordinated air and ground assaults using the tenets of maneuver warfare which eventually results in the total destruction of the building they were suppose to secure and the death of all inhabitants.


Air Force -
Takes a low interest loan on the 4 year lease of the building with the option to buy!


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Old 10-24-2009 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray
I'm no taking sides in this fight but don't forget all the passengers and crew lost their lives in the Colgan crash.
You missed the point of this thread by about as far as they missed the airport. The point is...majors make mistakes too! Sully ain't on every flight.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray
I'm no taking sides in this fight but don't forget all the passengers and crew lost their lives in the Colgan crash.
So only a crash that leads to a fatality(s) should be investigated with the extent of coverage that 3407 received? Non-fatalities should have the same degree of seriousness to prevent future issues from becoming a fatality.

They better pull flight training records and scrutinize them just as they do with regional pilots. Also, if the Delta pilots mumbled one non-essential word of conversation below 10,000 I hope the public hears that even the great aviators flying for the Majors talk below 10,000 too.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:07 AM
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I thought the imposition of the new ATP/1500 hour rule was going to all but wipe out mistakes in aviation. Experience is everything so how did these two events happen?
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:32 AM
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Each service on deployment;

Army:

Two infantry troops share a fighting hole during a torrential downpour. One says to the other, "Man, this sucks!"

Navy:

Seaman looks out port hole on driving storm. "Man, it really sucks out there".

Marine Corps:

Two riflemen share a fighting hole during a torrential downpour. One says to the other, "This does not suck enough!"

Air Force:

Airman sits on bed at the Marriott and checks out the TV. "Only 70 channels, this sucks!"
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
So only a crash that leads to a fatality(s) should be investigated with the extent of coverage that 3407 received? Non-fatalities should have the same degree of seriousness to prevent future issues from becoming a fatality.

They better pull flight training records and scrutinize them just as they do with regional pilots. Also, if the Delta pilots mumbled one non-essential word of conversation below 10,000 I hope the public hears that even the great aviators flying for the Majors talk below 10,000 too.
Yup, the taxiway thing could have been another tenerife or worse, put a few 74's and 77's on there and land a 76 on top of them...everybody's worst nightmare.

That being said, the fact that nobody died, this isn't going to be in the media enough for that much action to be taken as was in the colgan incident. Sad to say it but it seems like the media runs the world, because people are stupid enough to believe what they say.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:39 AM
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This thread is pointless.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by xtreme
Yup, the taxiway thing could have been another tenerife or worse, put a few 74's and 77's on there and land a 76 on top of them...everybody's worst nightmare.

That being said, the fact that nobody died, this isn't going to be in the media enough for that much action to be taken as was in the colgan incident. Sad to say it but it seems like the media runs the world, because people are stupid enough to believe what they say.

Humans make mistakes, maybe the next flight that lands on a taxiway will not be so fortunate.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray
I'm no taking sides in this fight but don't forget all the passengers and crew lost their lives in the Colgan crash.
I'm not either, just making sarcastic satire. With that said;

Don't forget, the passengers on the ATL flight were lucky there WASN'T an aircraft on the taxi way.

Don't forget, the passengers on the DAL (north) flight were lucky the aircraft didn't run into a fuel situation.

Don't forget, the passengers that lost their lives in LIT and Colombia were NOT lucky.

In the span of a couple days, there could have been a loss of life that far exceeded multi year span of COMAIR, Corpex, and Colgan COMBINED.

See what I'm getting at?

Originally Posted by The Juice
So only a crash that leads to a fatality(s) should be investigated with the extent of coverage that 3407 received? Non-fatalities should have the same degree of seriousness to prevent future issues from becoming a fatality.
Good point, reference the UAL 744 in SFO. ANOTHER case of a bunch of passengers being very, very lucky. It wasn't the fact that there was FOUR ATP/744 type rated pilots in the front of that airplane that kept them alive.
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Old 10-24-2009 | 09:28 AM
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Dojet,
I'm with you on this one. It's frustrating to watch the media, ntsb, and congress reveal every last detail about our fellow crewmembers lives, then rip it apart as if it's a miracle they made it that long without crashing, and then in these two situations, what could have been fatal mistakes were not, primarily because they just got lucky.

I'm not saying I wish more media coverage of the delta/nw incidents, but just that I wish people would view the Colgan crash with the same "people make mistakes" attitude they have when discussing these events. It can happen to anybody.
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