FAA Rest Rules
12-21-2011, 02:18 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Or a DH in or out mid-day to fly the next morning or fly the rest of a duty day.... Might make up for all the Caribbean stuff that will go away that used to DH one way and fly the other....
And by "our PWA" I mean the DL PWA - since this isn't reall a DL only thread
Last edited by Dash8widget; 12-21-2011 at 02:22 PM. Reason: DL reference
12-21-2011, 02:42 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by Indy
Anybody know how long it takes to publish in the Federal Register? When does the 24 month implementation clock start?
12-21-2011, 02:49 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Interesting assessment. I am curious, can you go further into your knowledge of the un-reducible 10 hours of rest? It doesn't seem very concrete other than "cannot go below 8 hours of rest time". So is the 10 hour part misleading? In theory the 8 hours (presumably at the hotel) may be better than what we have now but not as good as the 9 hours behind the door that was tossed around before. If its 8 hours rest, this still doesn't allow for unwinding/falling asleep then shower/meet in lobby the next day. So if you are like me and cannot fall asleep immediately we are now back down to around 6 to 6.5 hours of actual sleep. Whats your take?
12-21-2011, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
It says 8 hours of Sleep Opportunity. If you read throughout the reasoning part of the document (tedious, I know!) they do not consider showering and getting ready for bed as sleep opportunity. The 10 hours is to allow for about 30 minutes of transportation on either end, and showering, exercising, etc.(approximately another hour which leaves 8 hours for sleep), but they put the 8 hours of sleep opportunity in there, which helps if, for example, transportation takes longer. So the way I read this is that the intent and wording do not count what it takes to shower. This is a big plus, because generally 10 hours of rest will allow for the 8 hours of sleep, but if it doesn't for some reason, then it will be have to be extended to comply with this regulation.
12-21-2011, 03:09 PM
#116
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Originally Posted by ualratt
All the preceding threads regarding "commuting" are quite interesting but boy, talk about missing the target by miles. The concept of "pilot bases/domiciles" are a crock'o... An antiquated concept/culture by today's standards that many have grown up and became too comfortable with to see it's uslessness. The best way to alleviate the commuting issue is the more logical concept of being "home based". Absent that the other viable option is being provided a DH/PS flight to your base. Both of these concepts work very well today with lots of operators out there. Like with most things though, many will huff and puff because change is often too difficult for us to appreciate so the perils of commuting will continue for the unforeseeable future...
12-21-2011, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chazbird
Cargo carriers were exempt from TCAS too...(at least at the beginning). You see, people don't ride on cargo planes.
In th 70's a cargo DC-8 crashed after takeoff out of SLC. News paper report (AP actually) said "There were no people on board".
In th 70's a cargo DC-8 crashed after takeoff out of SLC. News paper report (AP actually) said "There were no people on board".
12-21-2011, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They stated that everyone must be in compliance by Dec 2013.
DATES:
Effective [INSERT DATE 2 YEARS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN
THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
Absent another reference, it looks like it takes two years from the Federal Register publishing date. Am I missing something?
12-21-2011, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Indy
Not sure that's correct. Just did multiple searches on the final notice...only one reference to 2013 in a footnote about FRMPs. Only direct reference to effective date is on page 1:
THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
Absent another reference, it looks like it takes two years from the Federal Register publishing date. Am I missing something?
DATES:
Effective [INSERT DATE 2 YEARS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN
THE FEDERAL REGISTER].
Absent another reference, it looks like it takes two years from the Federal Register publishing date. Am I missing something?
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