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Old 01-16-2013, 10:13 AM
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Interesting indeed, I hate to say it, but serves them right. I wonder what these MBAs and bean counters are thinking now? I'm sure they accept ZERO responsibility
I always love the pilot fingerpointing at "bean counters" and "MBA's" like they have horns and pointy tails. This has nothing to do with union vs non-union. This aircraft has been plagued with problems for many years. Cue the the cubicle troll management baseless accusations in 5 4 3 2.....

In the grand scheme of things these are some relatively minor issues when launching an aircraft this sophisitcated, i.e. A380
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BizPilot View Post
So when those B737s nose dived into the ground was that a non-union or outsourced problem?
The 737 Power Control Units you reference were outsourced to Parker Hannifin. Boeing management conspired to cover up a known flaw:

the Boeing 737 Rudder Lawsuits
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:52 AM
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The 787's electrical system always seemed suspect to me. a 270 volt DC system is going to get hot fast when it encounters resistance. There has not been a contactor ever built which is absolutely impervious to dirt, condensation and corrosion. The 235 volt V-AC side shares similar issues.

Simply stated, a lot of power is getting pushed through a small conduit. Anything not working right is going to get very hot, very quickly. I've not seen how they safeguarded the design, but one would think that fusible links would be impractical. Remote switches encounter control and contactor issues.

Getting rid of bleed air may have been a step too far in this sort of application.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:01 PM
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Have you all been hearing this stuff on the news? Evidently, the 787 has turned out to be a huge piece of crap. According to Fox this morning, a Jap 787 had to land due to another battery fire. They've now grounded the whole fleet.

It's real sad that the French build a better plane than we can.
Japanese 787? which airline?

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Old 01-16-2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by splat View Post
Japanese 787? which airline?
There was 2 of them. One was All Nippon Airways (ANA), the other was, Japan Airlines I think.

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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
Have you all been hearing this stuff on the news? Evidently, the 787 has turned out to be a huge piece of crap. According to Fox this morning, a Jap 787 had to land due to another battery fire. They've now grounded the whole fleet.

It's real sad that the French build a better plane than we can.
Clearly you have not followed the problems Airbus has had in new aircraft introductions. So far the 787 has had outstanding dispatch reliability since it went into scheduled service. In fact its been much better then airbus has achieved. Yes they have having a problem with the Lithium Ion batteries made by a Japanese company. I am sure they will work it out or switch back to NiCads. The aircraft is meeting all specs for range and fuel consumption. The numbers are compelling and its going to be a game changer. Sadly my airline does not seem to want any.
Its also a aircraft built to integrate the pilot into the flying. Airbus attempts to isolate the pilot. Two very different approach but I know which one I prefer.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Clearly you have not followed the problems Airbus has had in new aircraft introductions. So far the 787 has had outstanding dispatch reliability since it went into scheduled service. In fact its been much better then airbus has achieved. Yes they have having a problem with the Lithium Ion batteries made by a Japanese company. I am sure they will work it out or switch back to NiCads. The aircraft is meeting all specs for range and fuel consumption. The numbers are compelling and its going to be a game changer. Sadly my airline does not seem to want any.
Its also a aircraft built to integrate the pilot into the flying. Airbus attempts to isolate the pilot. Two very different approach but I know which one I prefer.
The FAA has grounded them now also. This is a turn for the worse, and will hopefully involve just a quick fix to an isolated system glitch.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:39 PM
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I rode back to LAX from Houston on a unical 787. Nice ride, good first class. Hate to hear they're having problems, but serves Boeing right for screwing over their loyal employees.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
The 737 Power Control Units you reference were outsourced to Parker Hannifin. Boeing management conspired to cover up a known flaw:

the Boeing 737 Rudder Lawsuits
Wasn't the DC-10 cargo door, kind of outsourcing issues in reverse? IIRC, the door was outsourced to General Dynamics (?) and there was some sort of failure during the first ground pressurization testing. I think that test also foreshadowed the issues with the floor buckling in those conditions and the fact that all of the -10's control cables ran through the floor vs other designs at the time. I think there were some memos between GD and McD at the time discussing the concerns and the possible need to redesign the door, but that McD brushed it aside because they were worried about getting to market late vs the 747 and L-1011. It's been a long time, but I remember reading a book called the Rise and Fall of the DC-10 and I think it even contained copies of some of the memos and other hush-hush correspondence. Corporate hijinks can easily trump that of the workers on the line.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Clearly you have not followed the problems Airbus has had in new aircraft introductions. So far the 787 has had outstanding dispatch reliability since it went into scheduled service. In fact its been much better then airbus has achieved. Yes they have having a problem with the Lithium Ion batteries made by a Japanese company. I am sure they will work it out or switch back to NiCads. The aircraft is meeting all specs for range and fuel consumption. The numbers are compelling and its going to be a game changer. Sadly my airline does not seem to want any.
Its also a aircraft built to integrate the pilot into the flying. Airbus attempts to isolate the pilot. Two very different approach but I know which one I prefer.

Game Changer! Love it! Only until the other 800 are delivered and most of the airlines have similar casm.
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