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Old 04-24-2013, 05:57 AM
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FAA Expands Size of Protected Airspace for Circling Approaches | NBAA - National Business Aviation Association

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has increased the size of protected airspace used in establishing the minimum descent altitude (MDA) on circle-to-land approaches. On May 2, 2013, FAA will begin publishing instrument approach procedures that use the larger circling approach airspace dimensions. This new criteria affords pilots greater lateral obstacle clearance protection and increased maneuvering space to properly align and stabilize the final approach and landing out of a circling approach.
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so does this mean that the MDA's and visibility requirements will also rise with the greater circling area? Seems like those values would have to, at least in the case of certain airports, based on the new criteria.
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so does this mean that the MDA's and visibility requirements will also rise with the greater circling area? Seems like those values would have to, at least in the case of certain airports, based on the new criteria.
Sounds like it to me!
It will take the FAA a number of years to update existing instrument approaches to the new criteria and apply the larger circling area dimensions. Circling minima not identified by the "Inverse C" icon continue to use the older circling area dimensions defined by the smaller radii.
Every approach reviewed by TERPS and reflown by Flight Check if required. Until they get to it and reverify (indicated by the negative 'C' icon - use the old criteria. I'm sure they will try and hit these up as the periodicty comes due, but with a 25% cut in flying hours I'm sure these will be put on the back burner except at the most *important* airports.
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Any increase in the circling MDA will depend on the terrain/obstacles in the surveyed area; viz is defined in TERPS.

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Any guess what the new circling radii will be?
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Originally Posted by web500sjc View Post
so does this mean that the MDA's and visibility requirements will also rise with the greater circling area? Seems like those values would have to, at least in the case of certain airports, based on the new criteria.
They would have to...anywhere that there's rising terrain or other obstacles in the direction of the turn. Pilots don't normally draw the protected area around the airport when circling (although I suppose you could do that with an FMS). We normally just fly at the proper maneuvering speed and bank angle for the aircraft landing configuration. This should keep us in the protected area for our approach category, which in turn determines MDA. So increasing MDA is the only way that a larger protected area translates to the pilot.
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Any guess what the new circling radii will be?
New chart provided in the article.
Varies depending on MDA MSL for one.
Definitely not a one-size fits all approach any longer.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the update, FLYR!
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Why does the FAA make things so complicated? PANS-OPS has the better way of designing these procedures. FAA procedures don't do, or don't do a very good job of dealing with the effects of altitude on turn radius and the effects of wind. PANS-OPS gives you a buffer, so if you find yourself 0.1NM outside the radii, you don't hit anything. With TERPs, all bets are off.
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Why does the FAA make things so complicated? PANS-OPS has the better way of designing these procedures. FAA procedures don't do, or don't do a very good job of dealing with the effects of altitude on turn radius and the effects of wind. PANS-OPS gives you a buffer, so if you find yourself 0.1NM outside the radii, you don't hit anything. With TERPs, all bets are off.
Did you read the article?
Those are some of the issues that the new criteria takes into account which were not included in the old criteria. The article stills says that the radii are smaller than PAN-OPS though.

As result, FAA conducted an extensive review that resulted in new TERPS criteria that increases the radii dimensions defining the circling protected airspace. In addition, the radii dimensions increase in size as circling MDA increases (Fig 3). This increase in radii size with higher MDAs accounts for greater true airspeeds and adverse wind gradients encountered at higher mean sea level (MSL) altitudes. While these radii are smaller than those used in ICAOs PANS-OPS, they represent a significant improvement over the previous TERPS criteria.
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