Why are terrorists mostly Arab Muslims?
08-17-2013, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
The US via its drone program is a great terrorist organization.
It usually comes down to economics. The Haves and the Have nots....
It usually comes down to economics. The Haves and the Have nots....
The "drone" program is not terrorism. It's a part of a larger effort, which happens to get a lot of media attention because it's "cool" or something.
The goal of these programs is to take out fighters and leaders who are planning or attempting to conduct insurgency or terror. That is war or counter-terrorism respectively, not terrorism.
Terrorism is, generally, violence used with the intent to disrupt society in general for typically political ends.
The "drones" are only supposed to target combatants. As to how accurate that targeting is depends on who you talk to. If the RPAs are actually targeting innocents by mistake (which would be very bad), that's tactical or leadership error, not terrorism. I would argue that terrorism requires a certain intent.
08-17-2013, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The "drone" program is not terrorism. It's a part of a larger effort, which happens to get a lot of media attention because it's "cool" or something.
The goal of these programs is to take out fighters and leaders who are planning or attempting to conduct insurgency or terror. That is war or counter-terrorism respectively, not terrorism.
Terrorism is, generally, violence used with the intent to disrupt society in general for typically political ends.
The "drones" are only supposed to target combatants. As to how accurate that targeting is depends on who you talk to. If the RPAs are actually targeting innocents by mistake (which would be very bad), that's tactical or leadership error, not terrorism. I would argue that terrorism requires a certain intent.
The goal of these programs is to take out fighters and leaders who are planning or attempting to conduct insurgency or terror. That is war or counter-terrorism respectively, not terrorism.
Terrorism is, generally, violence used with the intent to disrupt society in general for typically political ends.
The "drones" are only supposed to target combatants. As to how accurate that targeting is depends on who you talk to. If the RPAs are actually targeting innocents by mistake (which would be very bad), that's tactical or leadership error, not terrorism. I would argue that terrorism requires a certain intent.
At some point you've got to stop reading the script.....
08-18-2013, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
That is cute. The War on Terror, the invasion of Afghanistan and the illegal invasion and occupancy of Iraq have created more terrorist.... it's like a snake eating its tail.....
At some point you've got to stop reading the script.....
At some point you've got to stop reading the script.....
08-18-2013, 10:52 AM
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Definition of terrorism in the basic sense:
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The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
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The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
08-18-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
The US via its drone program is a great terrorist organization.
It usually comes down to economics. The Haves and the Have nots....
It usually comes down to economics. The Haves and the Have nots....
Give it time. It won't be long before the likes of ex-LAPD cop murdered (Donner?) and this Dimagio kidnapper types will be executed via Predator Drone on our domestic US soil claiming "it would be too dangerous to send police or federal agents in."
08-18-2013, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
So two kids blow up home-made devices in Boston and the entire city goes on lockdown. Watertown has its 4th amendment suspended, and entire blocks of houses get door-to-door searches with every American citizen forced out of the house at gunpoint. That's terrorism. There is a emergency/safety exception but that is limited to where a threat is though to be - a house or two. NOT entire neighborhoods. Our consitution has been trampeled over and over again, and the biggest terrorist threat to this nation is not the Chechans or foreign Muslims - it is those in DC who are violating the constitution and your rights.
Their acts were terrorist acts, but our response to it is getting more and more concerning. Those who give up freedom for safety will have neither.
08-18-2013, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
So two kids blow up home-made devices in Boston and the entire city goes on lockdown. Watertown has its 4th amendment suspended, and entire blocks of houses get door-to-door searches with every American citizen forced out of the house at gunpoint. That's terrorism. There is a emergency/safety exception but that is limited to where a threat is though to be - a house or two. NOT entire neighborhoods. Our consitution has been trampeled over and over again, and the biggest terrorist threat to this nation is not the Chechans or foreign Muslims - it is those in DC who are violating the constitution and your rights.
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
True. And how about the elimination of US citizens via drone without due process and trial? There is a "imminent" threat clause for that assasination, but who is to define something is "imminent." The same government that shut down every Embassy in a third world Muslim country because some al Qaeda dude said "do something!"
Give it time. It won't be long before the likes of ex-LAPD cop murdered (Donner?) and this Dimagio kidnapper types will be executed via Predator Drone on our domestic US soil claiming "it would be too dangerous to send police or federal agents in."
Give it time. It won't be long before the likes of ex-LAPD cop murdered (Donner?) and this Dimagio kidnapper types will be executed via Predator Drone on our domestic US soil claiming "it would be too dangerous to send police or federal agents in."
We don't run counter-terror ops out of APC.
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08-18-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
That is cute. The War on Terror, the invasion of Afghanistan and the illegal invasion and occupancy of Iraq have created more terrorist.... it's like a snake eating its tail.....
At some point you've got to stop reading the script.....
At some point you've got to stop reading the script.....
Every time it gets misused, some facet of big brother tightens one of the cords another notch...in most cases with the best of intentions but ultimately the same net effect downstream.
Your end of the spectrum is just as guilty of hyperbolic overuse of the term as those who charge 12-years as terrorists based on social media jokes. Anything ya'll don't like is "terrorism"...I've even heard moral opposition to affirmative action and gay marriage described with the "T" word. People with an agenda like the "T" word because it implies an imperative to trample fundamental rights to advance your cause.
08-18-2013, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
This is an excellent point, Shy.
Their acts were terrorist acts, but our response to it is getting more and more concerning. Those who give up freedom for safety will have neither.
Their acts were terrorist acts, but our response to it is getting more and more concerning. Those who give up freedom for safety will have neither.
Terrorist, patriot, rebel, loyalist, hero, etc... can be quite subjective....
08-18-2013, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Snarge
That goes to our response to 911. Civil/police instead of MIL. We've created more terrorist since 911 with MIL activities than our economic foreign policy.
Terrorist, patriot, rebel, loyalist, hero, etc... can be quite subjective....
Terrorist, patriot, rebel, loyalist, hero, etc... can be quite subjective....
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