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FXDX 03-09-2014 09:49 AM

Does anybody know if there is radar coverage in the area they were in?

Past V1 03-09-2014 10:08 AM

Malaysian 777 missing
 
How does a 777 go missing for more than 2 days? That's just spooky... With all the technology on that aircraft...it just floors me.

Bilsch 03-09-2014 10:56 AM

The current Long range radar used in ATC in the US has a max range of 250 NM. I am not sure if they are using the same type in Vietnam and Malaysia.


The Vietnamese Navy said in a statement that the plane went down in the waters between Vietnam and Malaysia, roughly 153 nautical miles off Tho Chu Island in Kien Giang Province, the Vietnamese Tuoi Tre News reported. Malaysia's transport minister said later, however, that no crash scene had been identified.

I don't know if they were in range or if ATC was using fusion.

cardiomd 03-09-2014 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Bilsch (Post 1598724)
The current Long range radar used in ATC in the US has a max range of 250 NM. I am not sure if they are using the same type in Vietnam and Malaysia.

It looks like they would have been in range with the planned flight path.

Yeah, looks like it, hence the reports of pilots "turning back" from a military radar site.

It is line of sight, of course, but I think the highest peak in Vietnam is only something like 10,000 feet. IIRC there is a Cardamom mountain range (like the spice) but otherwise is relatively flat until you hit China and the Himalayas.

Lack of radio communication also strange if it was not all incredibly sudden.

Anybody know if they have reinforced cockpit doors like all the domestic airliners?

cardiomd 03-09-2014 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1598579)
Yes you and James digress and mislead. At least 169 illegals died crossing the border last year, even if only 1 out of 10 died, thousands would still be a good estimate. What to do with "hybrid families" is indeed a "big issue" but not the biggest issue.

I don't think stolen passports is anything to get excited about either.

Neither of us brought it up.

The stolen passport issue will become less relevant over time with better technology (e-chip disabling like the post-2007 US passports). But yes, until then, pretty big market and not surprising 1% of the passengers may have fraudulent documents. We'll see...


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1598581)
The ten stolen passports being discussed is in reference to another crash (Air India, not MH 370).


The point being lots of passports get stolen because there is a booming market for false travel docs. 99.99% of the market is not terrorists, but rather migrants and crooks.

RiskandForecast.com | Risk Watch | At least 10 passengers of crashed Air India plane had fake passports

Exactly, totally agree. Thanks for the clarification.

razorblade 03-09-2014 01:49 PM

Well at this point we should probably stop referring to it as missing..

fatmike69 03-09-2014 02:13 PM

Just found this on the captain of the flight:

TRIBUTE: Who exactly is Malaysia Airlines Captain Zaharie Shah of MH370? - Sharelor

Not that I personally know the guy or anything, but after reading this, I get the feeling that he was probably extremely competent and of good moral character, and unfortunately has flown west.

swamp 03-09-2014 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by fatmike69 (Post 1598843)
Just found this on the captain of the flight:

TRIBUTE: Who exactly is Malaysia Airlines Captain Zaharie Shah of MH370?* - Sharelor

Not that I personally know the guy or anything, but after reading this, I get the feeling that he was probably extremely competent and of good moral character, and unfortunately has flown west.

Very sad, seems like a very interesting and intelligent person, I hope shyguy doesn't come on here and demoralize and point blame toward him because of a failed checkride from the early 80's, like he did the UPS captain. (I don't know if the captain has a failed check ride for the early 80's but shy will let us know if he does).

The Dominican 03-09-2014 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by FXDX (Post 1598678)
Does anybody know if there is radar coverage in the area they were in?

Good radar coverage and CPDLC, ADS capabilities from ATC in that area, very busy airspace 24 hours a day.

AF showed how difficult it is to find and recover wreckage from the ocean floor.

MrBojangles 03-09-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1598617)
Considering this was in cruise flight and not an approach into a thunderstorm, I consider this comment irrelevant.

Have you ever heard of this incident: Lone co-pilot 'panicked' after putting Indian 737 into dive - 11/30/2010 - Flight Global

but 2800 is not a bad amount of time-i'm just saying weird things happen. Seemed like an experienced enough crew to me.


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