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Bilsch 03-09-2014 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by fatmike69 (Post 1598843)
Just found this on the captain of the flight:

TRIBUTE: Who exactly is Malaysia Airlines Captain Zaharie Shah of MH370?* - Sharelor

Not that I personally know the guy or anything, but after reading this, I get the feeling that he was probably extremely competent and of good moral character, and unfortunately has flown west.

I agree. I saw his simulator setup on another site. He seems like a guy who had a keen sense of attention to detail in his hobbies. That ethic generally transcends to work.

I hope for closure soon for the family and freinds of all involved.

savall 03-09-2014 04:48 PM

Am I the only one here who doesn't think 2800hrs is a big deal ? He's in the right seat under a VERY experienced captain. There's also no mention yet of how that time is broken down. He very well may have 1000+ in the 777. It is very different from the US and I think there is a point where building time in a smaller aircraft really isn't a significant benefit.

JustAMushroom 03-09-2014 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by MrDK (Post 1598255)
About the passports.

So far I think "only" two statements are likely to be factual:
  1. There were two passengers flying using stolen passports
  2. Both were stolen in Thailand.

Certain other details would be informative and I am sure the investigator will look at those.
  1. Time frame between the two thefts (one was reported Aug 2013)
  2. Location of the two thefts. IIRC there was an armed robbery of a hotel in Thailand around that time where three passports were stolen (along with cash) from safety deposit boxes at the reception of a hotel. The name of the hotel escapes me, but I think it was either Dynasty Hotel or Lek Hotel, but near top of Soi 13, Beach Road, Pattaya.
  3. Did both these passengers have same departure and arrival airports
  4. Did the both of these passengers book on or near the same day and/or use the same agency?
  5. If a destructive device may be suspected to be on the belly, did any of them originate from an airport with possibly insufficient screening and transfer in KUL.
  6. About a potential problems with Chinese immigration. That may be completely irrelevant if destructive was intended on the ship.

Malaysian authorities just announced the tickets purchased using the stolen passports were bought at the same time and are numbers sequentially.

This is giving me a bad feeling.

The Dominican 03-09-2014 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by savall (Post 1598922)
Am I the only one here who doesn't think 2800hrs is a big deal ?

You have to read between the lines, the comments have nothing to do with this accident :rolleyes:

rickair7777 03-09-2014 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1598924)
Malaysian authorities just announced the tickets purchased using the stolen passports were bought at the same time and are numbers sequentially.

This is giving me a bad feeling.

Two illegal immigrants were traveling together? There's still no known motives for terrorists to attack MH.

Snickers 03-09-2014 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1598945)
Two illegal immigrants were traveling together? There's still no known motives for terrorists to attack MH.

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight: The early clues could point to Islam militants - Colonel Richard Kemp - Mirror Online

Not sure I agree with the motives that author illustrates but it is definitely possible.

Adlerdriver 03-09-2014 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1598945)
Two illegal immigrants were traveling together? There's still no known motives for terrorists to attack MH.

Are they really that picky or really need much of a motive? :confused: I'm pretty sure your garden variety Muslim psycho would consider getting an explosive on ANY airliner a big win regardless of the paint job. Just as long as some infidels died.

satpak77 03-09-2014 06:54 PM

Press is searching hard for a motive or a way to milk this for viewership. This is no, none, zero, indication of terrorist attack or criminal act. We do have a missing jetliner, cause not known.

Maybe a rapid decompress occurred, the rudder came off the tail, a fuel tank exploded, lithium batteries in cargo hold caught fire, etc etc happened.

We don't know. What we do know is not one terrorist group has come forward to claim credit. If this was a terrorist attack, it got kind of bungled, not sure how successful the mission was when they put this into the ocean and no "message" put out for the world to see.

Stolen passports ? "How dare security allow this to happen" Anybody seen a third world or non-Western airport terminal ?

Does anyone think a real terrorist would use a stolen passport, to travel ? Really people ?

Nazi war criminals ? Computer hackers ? Con artists/Ponzi scheme/Nigeria fraudsters ? Sex offenders ? Yes yes yes. Terrorists ? No.

BBC is reporting that the stolen passport dudes had planned to continue to Europe. Instead, they went swimming.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26509378

Gee, I am a drug smuggler, I am gonna drive my marijuana load from Arizona to New York with a stolen driver's license. Or a fake one.

Yeah, that is the path to success.

A real terrorist (do we not learn...) would use valid/legal documents and avoid any and all scrutiny prior to mission execution....

We have kids flying around with nothing, no passport, no ID, no ticket. I guess they are terrorists too ?

Rome alone: 11-year-old boy flies from Manchester to Italy without ticket | UK news | theguardian.com

9-year-old boy who boarded plane without ticket reportedly stole car weeks ago | Fox News

rickair7777 03-09-2014 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 1599007)
Are they really that picky or really need much of a motive? :confused: I'm pretty sure your garden variety Muslim psycho would consider getting an explosive on ANY airliner a big win regardless of the paint job. Just as long as some infidels died.

The garden variety wouldn't get the backing and resources from the big boys, who are actually pretty picky about their ops.

Gjn290 03-09-2014 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1599016)

We don't know. What we do know is not one terrorist group has come forward to claim credit. If this was a terrorist attack, it got kind of bungled, not sure how successful the mission was when they put this into the ocean and no "message" put out for the world to see.

They did manage to Kill 239 people in a single act, if it was terrorism. The world saw that.

Stolen passports ? "How dare security allow this to happen" Anybody seen a third world or non-Western airport terminal ?

Does anyone think a real terrorist would use a stolen passport, to travel ? Really people ?

Yes.

Nazi war criminals ? Computer hackers ? Con artists/Ponzi scheme/Nigeria fraudsters ? Sex offenders ? Yes yes yes. Terrorists ? No.

Why not?

BBC is reporting that the stolen passport dudes had planned to continue to Europe. Instead, they went swimming.
So maybe they decided to do something on this flight instead of the next?

A real terrorist (do we not learn...) would use valid/legal documents and avoid any and all scrutiny prior to mission execution....



As for the bolded parts you kind of contradicting yourself. If security is lacking so much in third world countries, why wouldn't they have used stolen passports?

Not all terrorists operate the same way.

Not saying it was terrorism, but you have to look at every angle.


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