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CBreezy 03-16-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 1603334)
Always amusing to see the pot call the kettle black.

What we do know is that 777s don't take tours all by themselves, we also know that Muslim terror attacks are frequent worldwide events.

Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane - Telegraph

You're using a broad brush stroke in order to describe a very specific event. Yes, there are lots of Muslim terrorist groups. There are also Christian terrorist groups. Just because there are far less doesn't mean they are any less culpable BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE.

Since we are all making wild accusations, why hasn't anyone blamed the Somali pirates for this? Or Hezbollah? What about Bengal Tigers of India? My point is, just because Islamic terrorists have used airlines against the US in the past for destruction doesn't mean that should be the automatic assumption from now on.

CBreezy 03-16-2014 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1603338)
Please highlight the post where someone has drawn a conclusion. I see lots of educated guesses, plenty of historical references, even some fairly good technical explanations; but no conclusions. Any post will do.

I'm not going to through and pick out how many posts there were where someone said, "the pilot had to take control," or "the pilot had to deactivate," or "the plane is for sure at the bottom of the ocean." I clicked on a random page and found post 398 which had a conclusion.

An educated guess requires information. There are so few facts that anything other than wild conjecture is impossible. An educated guess is "the plane's transponder stopped working and later a Malaysian military radar picked up an airplane flying west. I'm guessing that was MH370." I'd also accept, "the engines kept sending data for x hours after disappearing so the airplane most likely kept flying in a possibly westward direction for x hours."

Mazster 03-16-2014 09:55 AM

I don't want to beat a dead horse re an intercept attempt, but if you think out of the box a bit, I believe it could have been ascertained whether or not the plane was being actively piloted. Why couldn't a fighter scare the crap out of someone flying the 777 just to make him move the stick a bit...you would know if it was on AP or not. I'm sure there would have been ways to know the condition of that aircraft.

USMCFLYR 03-16-2014 09:57 AM


But apparently FAA, NTSB, and US Intel already reached the conclusion that the lateral track was not random meandering.
Conclusion


The Captain signed off after he turned the transponder off.
Stated as conclusion


I think that shows the plane still under control of someone...........
Opinion stated as a conclusion.


Plane continued to 'ping' satellites for up to 6 hours after so called crash.
Stated as fact - therefore a conclusion.

Some people are careful about differentiating between 'educated guesses', opinions, and FACTS.

Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 1602819)
What do you mean by 'signed off'? And is that 100% confirmed fact? Is there not any non-malicious reason why someone would do that?

The only thing we, the public, know for certain is that the airplane didn't arrive at its intended destination and that we don't know where it is now. There are no other hard 100% established facts known about this mystery.


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 1602992)
NO ONE knows that the transponder was turned off. This is why words matter so much in an accident investigation and why the NTSB is so diligent it how they word their press releases and statements. What we are seeing is an example of a wild west accident investigation, without the NTSB, and the media in charge. Impressive, isn't it?


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1603338)
Please highlight the post where someone has drawn a conclusion. I see lots of educated guesses, plenty of historical references, even some fairly good technical explanations; but no conclusions. Any post will do.

I only went back to posts from page 35....but I'd bet that there are a few more posts in the thread using the words 'facts' in them when referencing this current mystery when actually there are actually very few in this case. I think on this most would agree.

USMCFLYR 03-16-2014 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Mazster (Post 1603354)
I don't want to beat a dead horse re an intercept attempt, but if you think out of the box a bit, I believe it could have been ascertained whether or not the plane was being actively piloted. Why couldn't a fighter scare the crap out of someone flying the 777 just to make him move the stick a bit...you would know if it was on AP or not. I'm sure there would have been ways to know the condition of that aircraft.

Let's take a guess that some of the users responding to your post about interception TTPs have actually performed intercepts on other airplanes and/or have flown in close formation with other aircraft (even large aircraft) and have a fair idea of what could have been accomplished?

Mazster 03-16-2014 10:26 AM

OK...educate me USMCFLYER...why is it inconceivable to attempt a maneuver on an intercept that would force a reaction by a pilot in command of the 777...even at night?

LightAttack 03-16-2014 10:27 AM

Well, now we have heard from someone of authority....CNN dredged up Bill Savage as an expert commentator.

CBreezy 03-16-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Mazster (Post 1603378)
OK...educate me USMCFLYER...why is it inconceivable to attempt a maneuver on an intercept that would force a reaction by a pilot in command of the 777...even at night?

I don't understand what hypothetical world you're living in. Why is this relevant to the discussion?

LightAttack 03-16-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Mazster (Post 1603378)
OK...educate me USMCFLYER...why is it inconceivable to attempt a maneuver on an intercept that would force a reaction by a pilot in command of the 777...even at night?

USMCFlyer, don't feed the trolls.

Mazster 03-16-2014 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1603381)
I don't understand what hypothetical world you're living in. Why is this relevant to the discussion?

It's relevant to earlier posts in the thread wherein I was questioning why an intercept was not attempted early on in the incident. I'm not talking about present day. NOTHING was known at that point and in my hypothetical world an intercept might have determined if the 777 was under AP or pilot control.


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