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Mazster 03-16-2014 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1603489)
Wait....I thought you said not to feed the troll :D
In any case - it is important (and somewhat fun) to expose the pretenders who come onto the forum looking to push some idea in which they have no expertise, and then when they get answers that don't fit into their plans, continue to disregard logical explanations.

savall....and how long, and for what level of accuracy was Stewart's plane tracked before military intercept was accomplished?
Evasive action :D Exactly what would that be for a 777 - not counting any maneuvering that one has seen in a action/adventure movie starring Harrison Ford for example?

And just what idea was I trying to "push"? I asked a question with a couple of follow-ups. You as a "moderator" should see that. :rolleyes:

savall 03-16-2014 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1603489)
savall....and how long, and for what level of accuracy was Stewart's plane tracked before military intercept was accomplished?
Evasive action :D Exactly what would that be for a 777 - not counting any maneuvering that one has seen in a action/adventure movie starring Harrison Ford for example?

Roll it and land in a field after hitting a church spire :D

USMCFLYR 03-16-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Mazster (Post 1603497)
An unfair question...I am obviously not in a position to answer that.

Exactly. Yet when given reasonable answers to your questions from operators/experts - you launch into some 'you guys don't know what you're talking about' rant. Listen Mazster....the answers to your questions were given.


the N.Y. Times states that "The existence of the radar data suggests that the Malaysian authorities may have missed a chance to send military jets to intercept, identify and track the plane as it passed over the country. General Rodzali said interceptors were not scrambled because the unidentified plane appeared to be a civilian aircraft and was not seen as hostile."
Yes - possibly. Those of us familiar with press releases can also read between the lines fairly easily and those of us who have flown with/and against other militaries in that part of the world have a feeling about anything coming out of the press. Maybe they did miss a chance.

Finally the recent Ethiopian flight that was hijacked to Geneva was indeed intercepted (at night) and shadowed to Geneva.
And this proves what in relation to your questions. Can you find a former (or current) military pilot on the forum who says that an intercept couldn't be made if a fighter was able to be launched? The problem isn't an intercept - even at night. I've made lights out intercepts - I can get there with some work. The problem is what YOU think you can do about it once you are there.

There is little rudeness in the answers to your questions. You asked - they were answered. You continue to push - basically telling people that have done the job that they don't know what they are talking about and now you seemed to have picked up a reputation as a thread troll. If you really wanted to participate in the discussion and have your questions responded too in a serious manner, you took a wrong turn with your responses.

My standing as a moderator has nothing to do with you questions - asked and answered.
People seem to like to throw that out as if it means something. Sorry Mazster, the bosses here have told us to moderate the TOS and that we are allowed to have our own opinions on subjects and share them with the forum; which I have done in this case. If you feel that someone has violated the TOS, use the report function. If you would like to discuss this further...please contact me via PM.

TonyC 03-16-2014 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1603512)

... reasonable answers ... from operators/experts ...

... those of us who have flown with/and against other militaries in that part of the world...

Can you find a former (or current) military pilot on the forum ...

... people that have done the job ...



Can you tell me where the credentials, resumes, and life experiences of all members are posted?


I want to be sure to not offend an "expert."



By the way ... I've had fighters close enough to my cockpit to read a magazine.


But I need to check my resume to see if that constitutes valid input to your conversation.






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F4E Mx 03-16-2014 01:46 PM

If I remember correctly the Canadian version of the F-101 did have a movable searchlight mounted flush in the fuselage operated by the back-seater just for this kind of night intercept.

USMCFLYR 03-16-2014 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1603520)
Can you tell me where the credentials, resumes, and life experiences of all members are posted?


I want to be sure to not offend an "expert."



By the way ... I've had fighters close enough to my cockpit to read a magazine.


But I need to check my resume to see if that constitutes valid input to your conversation.






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Your are welcome to ask the participants all you like TonyC.
You are ones of the professed experts I'm sure - so tell us your thoughts on his questions. We wait with baited breath for you to share your experience.

Better yet - why don't you tell us what was inaccurate with the responses if you would like to take up that line of questioning.

Btw - when those fighters were so close to you to read a magazine - did their presence make you take evasive action?

USMCFLYR 03-16-2014 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by F4E Mx (Post 1603521)
If I remember correctly the Canadian version of the F-101 did have a movable searchlight mounted flush in the fuselage operated by the back-seater just for this kind of night intercept.

The Canadian Hornets have the same equipment.
The only ones I think. I've not seen it on any other countries airplanes - but I haven't seen every other countries airplanes either ;)

TonyC 03-16-2014 02:05 PM

You have criticized a poster for not giving the proper deference to answers from experts, I'm just wondering how he was supposed to know who the experts on that specific topic are.

Don't want to step on any egos ... err, I mean, toes.






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F4E Mx 03-16-2014 02:15 PM

The searchlight is on the left side of the CF-101B just below the canopy rail at the shoulder level of the back seater. Looks to be about 8 inches in diameter. Seems to be of use since they carried it forward to their F/A 18s.

galaxy flyer 03-16-2014 02:20 PM

To answer TonyC's question, anyone posting can put their "resume" in their profile.

GF


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