Originally Posted by abelenky (Post 1604233)

This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.

Originally Posted by abelenky (Post 1604233)

This, and many related theories seem far-fetched, and don't seem to address a big problem in my mind: the passengers.

It seems impossible to me that the passengers had no idea what was going on.
The in flight entertainment system shows the GPS position of the plane, and I believe it can only be turned off by the flight attendants
(are there controls for the Entertainment system in the cockpit?)

Even if it could be disabled, there is always the chance that a passenger looks out the window and realizes they're over the ocean when they should be over land.
A passenger could even have a GPS.
(I've had my GPS on an occasional flight and watched it for fun.)

If there was this big, nefarious plot, it must involve dealing with the passengers, or just straight-gambling that they don't notice what is going on. That's a big chance to take in a James Bond / Lex Luther style plot.

As a result, until there's some evidence that the passengers were controlled in some fashion, I don't accept the conspiracy theories, and continue to believe this is some bizarre, tragic accident.

Originally Posted by cougar (Post 1604343)

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If suicide, why fly 7+ plus hours? Standard hijacking, where are the demands? If 9/11 style attack, they missed badly. Where is the wreckage?

Very strange.

Originally Posted by cougar (Post 1604343)

Assuming the aircraft was either hijacked or the pilots went rogue, the problem of controlling the passengers could be accomplished by opening the outflow valves.

Once the masks drop, the passengers are immobile. At 45,000 feet the oxygen supply is reduced, more than likely less than the 12 minutes advertised.

Re-pressurize when able.

Disclaimer, I'm not saying this is what happened.

Motive is the pertinent question in my view.

If suicide, why fly 7+ plus hours? Standard hijacking, where are the demands? If 9/11 style attack, they missed badly. Where is the wreckage?

Very strange.

Originally Posted by cougar (Post 1604343)

If suicide, why fly 7+ plus hours?

Very strange.

Originally Posted by Outsider (Post 1604371)

So, I have a question.
The media is reporting that "authorities" have specific times that the Xpndr and ACARS were "turned off".
How the hell do the "authorities" know this?
My understanding is; they were not in radar contact at the time and unless ACARS was in the middle of a transmission, I don't know how they could know these times so specifically.
Am I missing something here?
Also if ACARS is off, what system is pinging the satellites?
I'm old but I don't get this.

Graybeard

Originally Posted by A306pilot (Post 1604307)

Does anybody have access to the smoke/ fire checklist and can supply info into which busses are lost and equipment shed if they are actioned?.