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Originally Posted by FXDX
(Post 1603450)
I'm only on page 12. Try this: click on User CP, on the left under Your Control Panel find Settings and Options. Click on Edit Options. Then go down to Thread Display Options and go to Number of Posts to show per Page. Edit that to 40 per page and you won't have to scroll through so many pages. Might save some time, maybe not.
A lot of people on here obviously don't know about this feature because they often mention the number of pages and invariably its way more than necessary because they are on the forum default which is only 10 posts per page. Anyway, maybe this is useful, maybe not, but I prefer the maximum of 40 posts per page. Now back to our wildly entertaining rampant speculation of what happened to flight 370. |
Originally Posted by Mazster
(Post 1603378)
OK...educate me USMCFLYER...why is it inconceivable to attempt a maneuver on an intercept that would force a reaction by a pilot in command of the 777...even at night?
It is ok if you don't want to believe the people who have done such intercepts. By all means - continue to educate us ;) And exactly what maneuver, in your expert opinion of military aircraft intercepts, would FORCE a pilot in command of a 777 into some sort of reaction (other than an aerial game of chicken of course) and would be both practical and safe for the intercepting pilot? |
I'm concerned about the FDR and CVR. They might never be found and recovered. Finding the plane, assuming it crashed at sea, is one thing. Finding out why it crashed is another, unless its debris 'tells' a clear story about how events unfolded.
Isn't it time the NTSB became more proactive and reigned in Malay authorities? Can they take the reigns, legally speaking? I do not wish to speculate. But I am leaning towards what happened not being a malicious act, but rather an array of events no other aircraft had encountered before in previous accidents. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1603480)
But you are beating a dead horse.
It is ok if you don't want to believe the people who have done such intercepts. By all means - continue to educate us ;) And exactly what maneuver, in your expert opinion of military aircraft intercepts, would FORCE a pilot in command of a 777 into some sort of reaction (other than an aerial game of chicken of course) and would be both practical and safe for the intercepting pilot? Also, if it were a situation like Payne Stewarts flight, the windows in that case were nearly opaque and that was daytime. Can't imagine they'd be any easier to see at night. |
clay bird,
Annex 13 specifies the protocols on accident investigation, until we have an accident we don't have an accident investigation, do we? We have a missing/overdue aircraft right now. If the wreckage is found, the state of occurrence (where the wreckage is located) will be in the investigatory body. If in international waters, it will be the state of registry (Malaysia). The only legal position for the US, thru the NTSB, is to be invited to the investigation as an accredited member. Right now, the US's role is as one of the few nations with the resources, skills and knowledge to assist the Malasians, as such, we have no legal means to "takeover". GF |
Originally Posted by LightAttack
(Post 1603446)
Go back to your mother's basement, troll. Members here have participated in intercepts, been in charge of intercepts, performed accident investigations, flown the 777, been 777 sim instructors, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the ready room. If you feel harassed and intimidated, stop posting idiotic questions. Take the hint. "Cogent"? We'll determine that.
Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out. Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation. Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours? How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing. In any case - it is important (and somewhat fun) to expose the pretenders who come onto the forum looking to push some idea in which they have no expertise, and then when they get answers that don't fit into their plans, continue to disregard logical explanations. savall....and how long, and for what level of accuracy was Stewart's plane tracked before military intercept was accomplished? Evasive action :D Exactly what would that be for a 777 - not counting any maneuvering that one has seen in a action/adventure movie starring Harrison Ford for example? |
Originally Posted by savall
(Post 1603484)
Also, if it were a situation like Payne Stewarts flight, the windows in that case were nearly opaque and that was daytime. Can't imagine they'd be any easier to see at night.
So yes, it may be pretty difficult to see in. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1603475)
And as the latest intel is out there some of those educated guess are very close to the mark. Essentially all of your quotes are repeated verbatim from a news story. Should we quit quoting the news here?
You said that no "conclusions" had been drawn on the forum and asked for just one post. I provide a few that I believe met the subject. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1603480)
But you are beating a dead horse.
It is ok if you don't want to believe the people who have done such intercepts. By all means - continue to educate us ;) And exactly what maneuver, in your expert opinion of military aircraft intercepts, would FORCE a pilot in command of a 777 into some sort of reaction (other than an aerial game of chicken of course) and would be both practical and safe for the intercepting pilot? Finally the recent Ethiopian flight that was hijacked to Geneva was indeed intercepted (at night) and shadowed to Geneva. Some of the "know it all" people here chose to offer silly answers and tried to intimidate me for asking and following up on my question. I have seen rudeness before by some of the same...totally uncalled for IMHO. |
USMC I was simply agreeing that the troll has been fed too much. I just wanted to clarify that in that situation where aircraft were sent up to check, with a known flight path, and good daylight visibility it ultimately served little more than to know the location of the crash.
I reread the article on that yesterday and I believe it said they were flying for 4 hours and within about 20 minutes of losing contact were intercepted, but even then it was only because there was a squadron on a training flight nearby. I'm not entirely sure the US would send birds up without a 7500 or a distress call immediately let alone Malaysia which has been stated in several posts to not have active squads sitting around waiting to be scrambled. |
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