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Softpayman 03-16-2014 11:27 AM

I'm reading an article now saying that the CA's wife and kids left him (as in moved out) just prior (days) to the aircraft going missing?

Additionally the article said he was very politically active. Appeared to be liberal in a fairly conservative area and that his political hero was jailed just prior as well...

blastoff 03-16-2014 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1603431)
Flash forward to today, 45 pages later, with in-fighting amongst APC members, media "experts", etc, today, we have NO factual information of what happened, to include NO factual info that terrorism/criminal activity was involved.

None.

Pretty amazing isn't it? This is turning into the modern-day search for the Titanic.

I'd be more than happy to eat crow if ends up being mazster's "Airport 75" spinoff.

jungle 03-16-2014 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Erick (Post 1603430)
Assuming that there is room for the philosophical notion of Occam's Razor along with appropriate critical thinking; what would be the simplest explanation for the disappearance (and behavior) of this aircraft and crew? Again, I am a psychologist and not a pilot but I have greatly enjoyed the discussion and have found more critical thinking in this discussion than just about anywhere else on the 'net.


Very good point, the oft ignored Occam's Razor is very useful to narrow down what some might think are thousands of possible outcomes.

What is simple, what is likely and what is possible.
Ignoring the tinfoil hat crowd, the media and the PC squad, there are a very limited number of possibilities not based on bad movies or novels.

Most likely: crew or hijackers for personal or philosophical reasons took control for another goal, like a large building in Malaysia. On the way a breech of the pressure hull or shutdown of pressurization in an effort to quell the passengers went wrong leaving the aircraft to troll along until it was out of fuel.

LightAttack 03-16-2014 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Mazster (Post 1603409)
Sorry but i don't get intimidated. The question was not idiotic and posed in a quite cogent manner. Flippant responses are not necessary. If the moderators don't want me here they can throw me off. Otherwise, I am not here to please you "blastoff" or anyone else of the High and Mighty members of this group. :rolleyes:

Go back to your mother's basement, troll. Members here have participated in intercepts, been in charge of intercepts, performed accident investigations, flown the 777, been 777 sim instructors, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the ready room. If you feel harassed and intimidated, stop posting idiotic questions. Take the hint. "Cogent"? We'll determine that.

Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out.

Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation.

Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours?

How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing.

CBreezy 03-16-2014 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by LightAttack (Post 1603446)
Go back to your mother's basement, troll. Members here have participated in intercepts, been in charge of intercepts, performed accident investigations, flown the 777, been 777 sim instructors, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the ready room. If you feel harassed and intimidated, stop posting idiotic questions. Take the hint. "Cogent"? We'll determine that.

Occam's Razor is a good place to start. Some of the press worms keep bringing up the "landed somewhere" idea. Really? 250-odd people onboard and every one with a cell phone. Ever 3rd World crap hole has a cell phone system. If it were hijacked and flown somewhere, they would have to had absolute control over the passengers to prevent a cell call from someone. On that basis alone, that can be ruled out.

Hypoxia is a possibility, but all the alarms and alerts would have had to be inhibited for that to have caused complete incapacitation.

Transponder and ACARS turned off (they seem to be certain about that) says it was deliberate by someone. Hijacking by terrorists? 250 passengers sitting by for that? Possible, but unlikely post 9/11. "Hijacking" or "suicide" by one of the crew after one goes to the back to hit the head? Still seems unlikely, but seems the most likely. Still, with the crew member stuck in the back with 250 passengers - how does the guy in the cockpit prevent the door from being breached over many hours?

How do you control or incapacitate the passengers? From the engine data transmission, it was flying for many hours past its last voice transmission. Amazing.

The question I have is regarding the Immersat information that was recently released. They said they determined the last signal was received at 8am (7 hours after takeoff) but the location was still in the East Indian Ocean upwards to Central Asia (very unlikely) or SE Indian Ocean towards Western Australia. At 7 hours, you'd think it would have gained a lot more distance from Malaysia.

FXDX 03-16-2014 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1603431)
Flash forward to today, 45 pages later, with in-fighting amongst APC members, media "experts", etc, today, we have NO factual information of what happened, to include NO factual info that terrorism/criminal activity was involved.

None.

I'm only on page 12. Try this: click on User CP, on the left under Your Control Panel find Settings and Options. Click on Edit Options. Then go down to Thread Display Options and go to Number of Posts to show per Page. Edit that to 40 per page and you won't have to scroll through so many pages. Might save some time, maybe not.

A lot of people on here obviously don't know about this feature because they often mention the number of pages and invariably its way more than necessary because they are on the forum default which is only 10 posts per page.

Anyway, maybe this is useful, maybe not, but I prefer the maximum of 40 posts per page. Now back to our wildly entertaining rampant speculation of what happened to flight 370.

satpak77 03-16-2014 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by cbreezy (Post 1603449)
the question i have is regarding the immersat information that was recently released. They said they determined the last signal was received at 8am (7 hours after takeoff) but the location was still in the east indian ocean upwards to central asia (very unlikely) or se indian ocean towards western australia. At 7 hours, you'd think it would have gained a lot more distance from malaysia.

inmarsat ?

CBreezy 03-16-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1603456)
inmarsat ?

Yeah, that's my fault. I really should have verified the spelling instead of using my memory of what I read. I really need to stop writing from my cell phone.

F4E Mx 03-16-2014 12:29 PM

Would 7 hours if endurance correspond to the wing tanks running dry at 9,000 gallons each?

FDXLAG 03-16-2014 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1603356)
Conclusion

Stated as conclusion

Opinion stated as a conclusion.

Stated as fact - therefore a conclusion.

Some people are careful about differentiating between 'educated guesses', opinions, and FACTS.




I only went back to posts from page 35....but I'd bet that there are a few more posts in the thread using the words 'facts' in them when referencing this current mystery when actually there are actually very few in this case. I think on this most would agree.

And as the latest intel is out there some of those educated guess are very close to the mark. Essentially all of your quotes are repeated verbatim from a news story. Should we quit quoting the news here?


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