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#101

Yoohoo1 , 05-13-2020 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

What does he 'need' to be doing right now?

Nothing. Beyond right now - a new PWA sone day.

#102

JamesBond , 05-13-2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoohoo1

Nothing. Beyond right now - a new PWA sone day.

I've got 5 years left. I'll bet only 2 are under a new contract.

#103

WickedSmaht , 05-13-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Banzai

Seems to me the best thing we could do for the company is to help the other groups unionize ASAP. Management decision making seems to be primarily driven by the desire to demonstrate to other work groups why having a union isn't advantageous...or could even be disadvantageous. Because of that, much like they have with many other things, they've decided to take the road of zero communication and imposing edicts, rather than treat us like the bargaining agent we are.

They were so scared of flight attendants that they didn't offer SILs. And, let's be honest, who's going to take a SIL now? I would have then, but I'm rather enjoying Reserve Guarantee, thank you very much. But they managed to quiet the FAs, didn't they? Worth every penny, I guess.

Let's just get the other workgroups unionized so that management can start thinking clearly. That might get us some more clear eyed solutions going forward.

Yeah, are you familiar with the IAM?

#104

Denny Crane , 05-13-2020 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I've got 5 years left. I'll bet only 2 are under a new contract.

I'm outta here 4th quarter 2023. Bet I've already seen my last one...

Hey! Where's the retro calculator????

Denny

#105

sailingfun , 05-13-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I've got 5 years left. I'll bet only 2 are under a new contract.

You are a optimist!

#106

deltabound , 05-13-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You are a optimist!

That’s what I thought. 2-3 years before we start making money again, and there’s a small matter of $14 billion in loans that need to be repaid. Pension fund payments to resume. Capital expenditures that need to restart.

(Plus all the stock repurchases that need to happen. Because reasons. )

#107

NuGuy , 05-13-2020 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beernutt

Ok, which part of what I said is mostly or entirely wrong?

Did the SILs get dropped to 40 hours?
Did Bartels act on this?
Did he fire the scheduling committee chairman?
Did 12 or so SMEs quit shortly thereafter?
Did DALPA pull down the VBs?
Did the company withdraw from the modified SIL agreement?

What I stated are facts. The parts where I used conjecture I was clear about saying it was my opinion.
You have to do better than saying ‘you are wrong’.

Again, I regret taking any part in this, because none of us know exactly how all this went down unless we were in the room when it happened, so with a lack of information people, me included, resort to opinions. You have yours, I have mine, based on the few facts we know and our perceptions. I won’t debate opinions.

I really hope the company and DALPA sit down and achieve mutually beneficial gains. It would restore some of my faith in this MEC.

To repeat, I won’t debate opinions. I’m finished with this discussion.

Do your own homework, I did mine and went back to read the Council coms that came out in 2018.

#108

ChazzMMichaels , 05-13-2020 07:51 PM

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#109

Gunfighter , 05-13-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoohoo1

No doubt there is blame on the Company side (example -most recent SIL debacle). However, the tone of the past few Chairman’s letters continues to be petty and unhelpful to getting anything done.

We don't need anything done. Leave the contract alone. If the company wants SILs, it's in there. If they want to flush half of us to 220B NQAT, it's in there. If they need to furlough, sadly, it's in there. If the company wants to approach us with an ERP, we will listen. It's not our place to approach them.

#110

Cogf16 , 05-14-2020 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoohoo1

No doubt there is blame on the Company side (example -most recent SIL debacle). However, the tone of the past few Chairman’s letters continues to be petty and unhelpful to getting anything done.

Jumping in late here, but I agree with the "Chairman's letters......petty and unhelpful comment. At least they've been consistently like that for a few years.......
The "cartel" is alive and well.....