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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
cause they wanna see how many 777 guys will just say screw it and throw in the towel before they have to offer any payout. Strategery.
All the 777 guys should wait until they get a training date before they retire, and retire on the training day(if they retire). Then on that day, put in your 2 week notice. That seems like common sense. Why would they retire now and lose out on the money they could get sitting at home waiting on training?
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
So let me get this straight...

The company is ignoring DALPA and doing whatever they want (outside of the contract of course) and then they turn around and make the pilots out to be the greedy ones because of their union and because so few took unpaid leaves.

Isn't it about time that all employees come together and take a stand against the corporate spin machine?

I have friends at United and while they aren't able to buy United shirts, volunteer to clean planes for free etc their management has open lines of communication with all their union reps and isn't pitting one group against the other. They're preparing for worst case scenario and the mood may be a bit more somber but i'd rather know than have it sneak up on me at the last second.
Thats not accurate. The pwa gives the company all the tools to do what is happening.
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
So why wouldn’t Delta put out Early out program first to see how many pilots would take program, then put out displacement bid. If displacement bid comes out first which I guess it will and then they put out the ERP won’t they have to rerun bid
Mgmt is going to need to extract concessions in this process.

Why would they hand over the leverage of an erly out pkg and get zero for it?

Running this bid provides mgmt data as to how much any erly out may be worth
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Thats not accurate. The pwa gives the company all the tools to do what is happening.

It does not give the company the ability to offer an early retirement plan without ALPA sign off.
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
It does not give the company the ability to offer an early retirement plan without ALPA sign off.
Are you sure about that?
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
cause they wanna see how many 777 guys will just say screw it and throw in the towel before they have to offer any payout. Strategery.
The answer to that question would be zero. Think about it.
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Old 05-15-2020 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Are you sure about that?

They can try, but it will be a grievance and the company would most likely lose.

Compensation to pilots is under the terms of the pwa. They can’t go outside of it. There is a reason why precious early retirement plans had LOAs (see LOA 14-05)
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Old 05-15-2020 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
So let me get this straight...

The company is ignoring DALPA and doing whatever they want (outside of the contract of course) and then they turn around and make the pilots out to be the greedy ones because of their union and because so few took unpaid leaves.

Isn't it about time that all employees come together and take a stand against the corporate spin machine?

I have friends at United and while they aren't able to buy United shirts, volunteer to clean planes for free etc their management has open lines of communication with all their union reps and isn't pitting one group against the other. They're preparing for worst case scenario and the mood may be a bit more somber but i'd rather know than have it sneak up on me at the last second.
They are operating within the contract.
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Old 05-15-2020 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
It does not give the company the ability to offer an early retirement plan without ALPA sign off.
Has that happened?

Are the shared reward payments in the pwa?
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Old 05-15-2020 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
So why wouldn’t Delta put out Early out program first to see how many pilots would take program, then put out displacement bid. If displacement bid comes out first which I guess it will and then they put out the ERP won’t they have to rerun bid
‘My guess is for a couple reasons. One, they can get a good idea of the cost associated with training after a displacement bid. Two, if an ERP gets negotiated they can adjust any displacements awarded by simply canceling them. Three, shock and awe....better known as Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD).

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