As 80 pointed out, the company’s hand is not exactly clean in the blame game. That being said, I don’t necessarily see the Union communications as ‘blaming” anyone. Pilots are looking for answers to questions (like why no ERP yet) and the Union is answering them in a Union communique. How else is the Union supposed to get information out? I can see how that might be construed as placing blame but that is not the way I see it.

Results are a function of meeting and negotiating. If one party won’t meet and negotiate then there will be no results. There have been results at the negotiating table. The biggest one being LOA 20-01.......which the Company almost immediately reneged on. They didn’t violate the letter technically but certainly did the spirit of it. There have also been other small results like the recent MOU. IMO the Company is just not ready to enter into serious cost savings negotiations because.....they are still trying to figure things out! The problem is a possible huge cost savings idea (ERP) could pass them by if not acted on soon. It seems to me the Company is putting the cart before the horse with putting out a displacement bid before any ERP.

Anytime! It’s my feeling that, in any debate, the person who starts name calling etc has already lost the debate.

And I yours. We all know what opinions are like..........and I are one of those!

Nope, never lived in Utah. Discussed it with my wife a long time ago and we decided to stay in the Seattle area.

Denny

 

In flight????

 

I hope you take the Early out .. guys like you make this profession unbearable.

 

I agree.....guys with no sense of humor do indeed make this job unbearable!😢

 

As long as my FO is on tinder or Bumble, I don't say anything.

 

what or what?

 

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So you are going to be furloughed? Or displaced and retire because you can't hack a school. Which one?

 

This old trope again.

If BK was the almighty power many like to fantasize it is, every airline that did it would simply have involuntarily furloughed off the top of each category list, out of seniority, to match fleet needs. Zero training. And whatever plane SKYW's heart desired would have been their's. Please.

Just make any early out require participating pilots to be kept on the seniority list. Maybe create a new category for them (NBCSIL?) if that gets thrown out in BK then they could have just furloughed them out of senority anyway since BK is a weapon of unlimited power. GMAMFB.

 

You blame the MEC, deflect on the blame for Ed and/or the team directly under his command, then posit this theory?

This isn't anywhere near similar to the VB situation where they sat on it way past the agreed upon timeline, promised to discuss their plans with us, then suddenly and overnight sandbagged us with something different "just because they could" so we finally had enough and pulled it down. So now you think because of that, they fake negotiated something that would have saved them a ton of money, cost any participating pilots some money, then pulled it down immediately, well within the timeline agreed upon, out of some semblance of spite, where the only cost to either party was to them by reducing prescious cash reserves by tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions assuming a broader application and participation?

Is that about right? And so because of all that, what exactly would you propose we do from PPOS?