Saying there are things to "mitigate losses" means that there are in fact losses. Taking a loss on a concessionary contract in one of the best periods of negotiating in history is ludacris. Whether you're a yes or no, surely that argument holds up.

I wasn’t laughing at you, I was laughing at what you said. Can you explain to me in detail, without hyperbole, or unsubstantiated rhetoric how they out played, out smarted and out negotiated us? We haven’t seen anything other than bullet points, so I assume your statement is based on that information alone.

We are about to vote in a bottom of the industry contract.

That's how they out played us.

This! How do some of you guys not get it. We will be bringing down the industry average when other unions start to include our pay rates. We’re fueling the need for Legacy managements to want to ask for pay concessions in order to stay competitive with us and Spirit.

Well, that's not really what I was saying.

The legacy airlines have so far survived us just fine. We are currently paid way less than them! If we vote this contract in, our pay and benefits come much closer to catching up. I, personally will go from making $80/ hour less than my United counterparts to $25 less an hour.

That helps the legacies, not hurt

Do you think a gal at United gives a rat's arse what happens to you? The only thing she cares about is her. You need to get over this virtue signaling "Im doing it for the industry" machismo. Frontier is a bastard but it is our bastard and I am not gonna drive it into the ground to make a point or protect a United pilot's pay.
I can guarantee you that if Kirby came to the UAL pilots and said we need to put an end to the ULCC carriers and we need your help, our ALPA brothers and sisters would gladly end your existence (and not even offer you a preferential interview)
Time to wake up people.

Not in the least...... when the TA is released it will be GAS on the fire solidifying the industry BOTTOM offer.....

Do you really think, that if we were carbon copied a B6 or AS contract, Indigo would be driven into the ground? As in they would no longer be profitable? This is an honest question, I'm not looking to fight with you.

Thanks for the civil question to my post.
I can see how my post may have been construed as such. But no I do not think that. I was just saying that I do not care how our contract affects the legacies. They are doing just fine with or without us.
We need to make decisions (whether YES of NO) on US. Not how it affects UAL or DAL negotiations. They will take care of #1 and we must do the same.

^^^^THIS^^^^

We currently are so far behind our peers because we agreed to a duration of our current contract that was MUCH too long.

Let’s learn from our past mistakes. This needs to be a three year deal until we have joined the pattern.