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galleycafe , 11-13-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by badflaps

I have no idea why there wern't more violations with over 1500 727's flitting around. How did they do that?

The STAR's didn't have as many speed and altitude restrictions as they do now. There was typically one speed and one altitude to meet; not 10 all the way down.

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#122

TCASTESTOK , 11-13-2017 09:10 AM

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#123

SpeedyVagabond , 11-13-2017 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by galleycafe

The STAR's didn't have as many speed and altitude restrictions as they do now. There was typically one speed and one altitude to meet; not 10 all the way down.

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I have yet to meet a STAR or SID which isn't very easy to hand fly. The problem isn't complexity, it's shutting tfu and paying attention to everything going on. Very easy to do.

#124

ItnStln , 11-13-2017 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The NW crew did not have to recover anything. They simply flew the aircraft.

Thanks! By "they simply flew the aircraft" do you mean they did nothing and the problem fixed itself? Am correct in assuming the Northwest crew was better trained since they were able to recover?

#125

ItnStln , 11-13-2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Yup. I did the guy's recurrent who was PF during the incident. When it happened, he just held her level, same power setting and about 2.5 degrees of pitch. about the time they started to figure out what was going on, everything recovered. Which is exactly what would have happened with AF447 had he not pitched to 17 degrees up (!!!!) at FL350.

That's pretty impressive! Was the Northwest crew better trained than the Air France crew?

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80ktsClamp , 11-13-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ItnStln

That's pretty impressive! Was the Northwest crew better trained than the Air France crew?

They were much more experienced with a lot more time hand flying.

#127

ItnStln , 11-13-2017 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

They were much more experienced with a lot more time hand flying.

Then the difference in outcome between Northwest 8 and Air France 447 makes sense.

#128

at6d , 11-13-2017 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thevagabond

I have yet to meet a STAR or SID which isn't very easy to hand fly. The problem isn't complexity, it's shutting tfu and paying attention to everything going on. Very easy to do.

Fairly reasonable statement, except not every avionics suite is top notch...which may require a bit more hands-on attention.

#129

TheFly , 11-13-2017 06:50 PM

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#130

sailingfun , 11-14-2017 03:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

They were much more experienced with a lot more time hand flying.

They grew up and learned their trade hand flying airplanes. They did not learn their trade in a simulator with the autopilot on.