So if this is voted “no”, what next? Does it go back for further negotiations or get dropped all together and all the pilot group gets is the extra pay already agreed to?


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Mass hysteria from the uneducated.

UNEDUCATED is the key word...

Most “NO” pilots I have talked to are basing their info on 2nd hand BS heard in the crew room.

Most have not watched or have no clue about the AW podcast or JW video...

Some of the reasons for wanting a NO vote are absurd and don’t even come close to what is really included in the AIP...

Just out of curiosity why do you Lend more credence to a podcast over a blast by another BOD member? The trick is to take all of the opinions and all of the information and make a decision based on that.

Personally, I think the whole thing was a botch job from the beginning, but the one thing that makes me a no is the weak implementation language. We can't even get our contract implemented, and we are to believe that a mere million bucks a month will persuade them to implement this? That's just silly and amounts to all gains for the company and nothing for us. Like I have said before we should be achieving not retreating!

I continue to be amazed by APA.....

How they somehow turned huge leverage into a 3 ring **** show we now have is incredible.

They should have just come away from the table and said “hey, folks. No deal. The company really ****ed up, but they don’t want to play ball. Enjoy your holidays off.”

Would be better than this mess we now have.

And seriously..... How did we even arrive at this point? How does one turn tremendous leverage into this nonsense?

All you have to do is read Attachment 3.

If it's not a concession, why don't we just drop it and get ACD/LOS?

I've watched both. ACD is great IF it ever gets implemented. Not worth concessions in exchange for a soft implementation schedule.

This is my problem too. Simply put, I just don’t trust them to implement it. Tie it to DOTC/RAS and I’d be at APA HQ screaming for a yes vote.

Maybe I’m wrong and this wouldn’t be the first time, but the last few years of unimplemented items, “IT issues”, and other BS has soured my trust in AA management.

Either way it goes, I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I really don’t get a say anyway

Best thing I think they could do is keep kicking can on the vote and work out all the fine details. There just isn’t any rush that i see to vote either way. I’m guessing they picked 16th because vacation posts on 15th and they can see float results?

I have. I don’t have a problem with it for what we are getting.

I've gone back and forth too. But I agree with you on this one for the reasons you put forth. Saying no costs the company nothing. I mean really...nothing. In fact, it tells them we fixed Christmas for free. They'll just say "see you in 2020."