Well, the only thing that hasn’t been discussed here is compensation. Let’s hear it...

Not entirely....
I would like to know if while the crews are home enjoying time with their families if they are “on call”. Does Cirrus have scheduled rest periods during those days when they are on call, but not flying?

Training Contracts: Does Cirrus ask you to sign a training contract if you come to them current in the airframe you will be flying. What about contract for recurrent training?

Compensation is posted under the profile page. Not all aircraft are posted due to them not being in the APC database.

Each crew member that is scheduled receives a Duty assignment the day prior and rest periods are scheduled. No rolling rest.

Crew Schedules are a bid type schedule. You submit a request and schedules for the following month are posted on the 20th. Your allowed to submit long term request to allow your fellow crew members to see your future requests on a Bid Tracker. Plus there is a vacation type program that allows you to request up to 14 days per year. Once those days are approved then they are guaranteed so you can plan out your personal life.

Cirrus is a non-floating fleet model designed to serve the LAS market. Typically, our planes return to base at the end of the day. Our crews on the light jets average 3-5 overnights away from base per month. Mid-size jets average 5-8 overnights away from base per month. Heavy jets vary but typically the average trips are less than 5 nights away from base. But it can vary so it’s hard to say a monthly average on the Heavy’s due to the nature of those trips (i.e. We do lots of Hawaii round trips where you sit for a week).

Crews are in LAS majority of the time. There is a 90 minute call out while on duty. The plus side is that time is spent at home and not in a hotel out on the road. You are allowed to do whatever you want while on call, but must be able to respond to the Company within a reasonable time, be fit for Duty, and meet the 90 minute call out.

We require training contracts on Initial type ratings. It’s a 12 month contract pro-rated for our contract rate with our training providers. We do not require a training contract for recirrent training events. Nothing is needed and it’s pretty straight forward and standard in our industry.

Again, is it perfect? No, but our focus is on being successful. Being able to attract and maintain professional pilots is the key to that success. So we are constantly trying to improve the overall relationships with our pilots and providing a competitive Compensation & QOL package.

What you have stated sounds as good or better than a lot of 135 operators. So to be clear if someone came to you current in type and had to go to a recurrent under your training program at CAE or FSI there would be NO contract required for that training event?
Thanks

Then why would the company fuss over something as minimal as hotels points. Every company is trying to attract professional pilots. The company could just not take the points and give this forum 1 less reason to question your motivations. Beware of the two story house sale pitch. You get one story before you sign the contract and once your under contract you’ll get the second story. Also are days off and pilot promises written into the training contract or is it a separate agreement where as in if you fail to uphold your promises of guaranteed days off or pay etc. Or is there no bearing on the training contract. OR are work conditions married together putting managment promises on the line????

For all pilots out there Beware they can promise you off 30 days a month but as a private buisness they can change their mind with out notice. And if you find out you have been lied to the training contract will remain over your head. There’s only one upside to a training contract with out conditions it keeps you a slave.

A company that’s treats it pilot like professionals have no problem retaining pilots and there for has no reason to place them under a contract. There are plenty of those jobs and companies out there.

It’s funny and sad that everyone here is stuck on hotel points. Like that’s the worst thing to be concerned when looking for a job. That’s just the tip of the sword. Look what’s beyond the point. The tip of the spear only causes surface wounds it’s what’s behind the tip that really causes the wound.

This business will only change when pilot regain some dignity. Employers claim well it’s just good business sense. Well when the shoe is on the other foot it will become better for all of us.

Maybe I am just another disgruntled pilot who wouldn’t be happy no matter wherever I end up. That line is pretty telling.

Wonder if we were all born disgruntled?

This sentiment is exactly right.

So applying to to employer-shopping, it’s reasonable to sort based on little details that reflect the management style or mindset of ownership.

It’s not a perfect filter. How a company spends money could reflect conservatism, inadequate capitalization, or a view that employees are just fungible billing units. It’s not an absolute indicator.

Does that mean that a big spending, generous employer will be a better place to work? Of course not—ask the 4,000 about to be unemployed at WeWork. But generally, companies that “cheap out” show it early.
This doesn’t mean that hotel miles are the absolute determinant, but it explains why some who are trying to compare apples to apples are looking at various indicators, of which that is one.

The hotel points are a barometer to the rest of the job. If you feel the need to take away the simplest of benefits that a pilot can accrue then you most likely cut into the crew’s QOL in many other ways. This is not a disgruntled point of view. This is an experienced factual point of view.

It’s one thing to change a policy on hotel points it another to change the culture. They could offer double points it won’t make the job any better if it’s a cultural problem.

People aren’t born disgruntled. Just like people aren’t born afraid of dogs. An event or experience makes them that way.

Let’s make this business safer and better. They can’t fly without us.

We have two votes left and right foot. We need to learn to vote with our feet either stand firm for what’s right or keep walking.