I think liability rules are changing the outside flying thing. Technically, the company that trains you (even if it's on completely different equipment) could get roped into any lawsuits that might stem from incidents or accidents that occur during outside flying. Even in the corporate world, more and more companies are saying their pilots can't freelance on the side just to remove that risk. They may still turn a blind-eye to it, but they'll hang you out to dry if something happens and say you were operating in violation of their GOM/SOPs.

That’s simply not true. I know guys who still fly corporate part time with permission.

Here is the documented contract/UPS policy (Flight operations manual)/FAR for UPS Off Duty Flying

Contract:
It is the crewmember's responsibility to assure he is available and within FAA guidelines when reporting for work regardless of any flying activity outside of Company business. However, no crewmember shall perform flying, which would count toward his maximum flight/duty limitation under the FARs, other than that performed for the Company, except as provided in Article 10.V. This does not restrict the flying of military aircraft by a crewmember affiliated with a military guard or reserve organization. (10.V is only for Flight Engineers working towards pilot flying hours,none of these positions exists any longer)

UPS Policy (Flight Operations manual) NON-UPS BUSINESS OR ACTIVITY
Do not allow involvement in an outside business or activity (non flying) to interfere with the availability to perform duties, qualification currency or job competence. Do not perform flying that counts toward maximum 14 CFR flight/duty limitations other than flying performed for the Company. This restriction does not affect the ability to fly for a military guard or reserve unit.



§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed -

(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;

(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;

(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.
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commercial flying includes all the other numbers: Anything one would do to get compensated in 91, 135, etc

Do UPS pilots exercise their certificate for commercial flying under 14 CFR outside of UPS commercial flying?
ANS: Technically prohibited and does not even state anywhere in policy or contract that can obtain or need Chief Pilot permission as prohibited.
My opinion: In a company discipline manner, Higher management would state that a a CP does not have the authority to waive the contract or UPS policy unilaterally. If wanted to fly the G550 on the side, and wanted to stay in the contract and UPS policy, would go to the Director of Operations for permission. Surmise that individual written permission would be considered appropriate level of management to provide permission to fly other commercial operation flying.

Many commercial airlines prohibit outside commercial flying in general. Essentially, the employer is purchasing all commercial flying hours available to an employee (exclusive use). Waivers? Up to each employer.

Would definitely go with Salty as he would know and the fact even with permission, it wouldn’t hold up based on authority.

It's early and my mind is fuzzy, but none of that would seem to preclude taking money for part 91 flying like corporate or flight instruction.

As long as you get paid, it counts as “other commercial flying”. Doesn’t have to be 135/121 to count as commercial flying. .

That being said, my comments about “no outside commercial flying” at UPS is just based on what I’ve heard. I’ve never seen it in writing.

Seeing adult men so personally triggered by internet strangers online is sad and weird. This thread is supposed to exchange information to help potential new hires navigate their decision making. If you’re logging on IN YOUR FREE TIME to get into a cat fight with someone you don’t know behind the anonymity of your phone screen, it’s time to eat a sandwich or go for a walk. Calm down, boo.

Anyway, great question re: first year pay. First thing is to understand perspective. With training pay (training is longer for 747 vs 757 due to several factors), you can expect about $50ish year one. That’s what the average American family makes. Since you have a family, consider cutting as many costs as you can. Pick up JAs on your days off (still better pay than nothing), see if your wife can pick up a part time job since she’s stay at home or do something online like sourcing discounted goods and reselling them on amazon or eBay. Sell the car for something a few years older or make do with one car. Look in to free family activities. See what you can sell and don’t do meals out (on the road, we have some very generous Captains AND FO’s who will treat you to several meals because they understand). I have most of my meals free on the plane. I wouldn’t suggest putting things on a credit card only because debt is the devil but that is a strategy that’s worked for many here.
where there’s a will, there’s a way!

now stop yellin at each other! 🤣

Agreed! First year pay blows, but it is possible to make it through on that. A lot of people will tell you not to pick up extra flying while on probation because it increases your risk. That’s true, but the risk is low. Do your job, make conservative decisions, and you’ll be fine. Captains get where you are coming from. Ideally you would be able to use a combination of savings, cutting optional expenses, etc. to eke it out first year. You could also pick up a part time sim instructor gig. Sim companies have been hurt by the pilot hiring wave and can be very accommodating of part time work.

You'll have to figure out a way to deal with the first year pay. I know it sucks, but remember that you've achieved a great job. Most Captains will treat you out to dinner every day and you'll be fed well when flying (crew meals). Open up a couple of 0% APR 18-month introductory rate credit cards to help you get buy, then pay it off with gobs of money you'll be making second year. Citi Double Cash is what I used and it helped me get buy - all while paying no interest.

How much would a new hire make if he worked his butt off on days off?