Depends on base, but probably around $70k working your butt off.

 

Thanks, what bases are better or worse for working a lot?
I live in South Florida, was thinking about MIA.

 

Beg to differ a little bit. To begin, we have credit limits that prevent an individual from working too much. This is a good restriction - prevents a few individuals from taking all the extra flying. There are also some amongst our ranks (not I) that get butt hurt from new guys picking up excessive amounts of open time or junior assign (150% pay) trips, presumably since their pay rate is so low...? And even if you could work your back side off it’s not smart nor professional to do so IMHO, in most cases. Most normal schedules here, especially junior ones, will kick the crap out of you. Our plentiful days off aren’t as much a perk but more of a necessity to recover and prepare. Adding days here and there is one thing, maxing it out month after month just isn’t safe, especially as a new guy. There is also an argument amongst the new guys to limit flying first year in order to limit exposure to potential screwups which could put your job on the line. I don’t necessarily agree with this but it is a paradigm amongst the probies as of late. All of the above notwithstanding, you are obviously free to do whatever you choose.

I’d say if you must increase your cash flow, find a job outside of ups that is flexible and low stress. When I went through, we figured out our monthly cash requirements down to the dollar after cutting everything non essential. We took a very cheap loan from family to make up the deficit - easier to pay back the loan year 2-3 than get a second job year 1. YMMV.

Good luck.

 

Thanks for that info, i appreciate it.

 

All great info. I stayed away from extra flying in my first year, It was a simple math problem for me

For example, based on hourly rates effective Sept 1 2020:
Our turn-trips (aka out-and-backs) pay 6 hours credit x $50 ... $300 for an extra day of work
By second year that 6 hour trip x $192 ... $1152 for an extra day of work

You need to work nearly 4 extra days in first year to make the same $$$ for one extra day in second year.

Work smart, not hard !

Of course if you need the money NOW, not many other options. Plan accordingly.

 

I worked a little extra in my probationary year; living in domicile made it less painful, it helped me consolidate, and every bit of extra income helped.

No way I'd have worked extra as a commuter.

 

Flew with a probationary FO last month who was Brilliant! He dropped everything he could using the trip board. He works the absolute minimum. Now caveat this with his kids are out of the house and he had some money saved up from abroad. His view was that this was the cheapest vacation time off you could get. He said he would consider the whole open time/JA situation next year when his pay quadruples.

 

I hoped you made sure he knew that if you don’t hit at least 815 credit hours in a year that it doesn’t count as a good year under the Aplan

 

And less than 37.5 hrs affects vacation and sick accruals...

 

I’d be careful at this company dropping any significant amount of flying first year. Doesn’t look good and the complete opposite of what the company is looking for in a employee. Yes, guys are doing it without issue but it’s only a matter of time before it starts to blow up...IMHO. YMMV.