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Old 02-14-2018, 10:24 AM   #1  
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How do you guys make it past the 1st year pay. UPS is a great company but until one gets on second year pay it must be difficult to get by. Does the company allow pilots to flight instruct or do contract flying on a side? I know Southwest gives their new hires a second year pay on all flights picked up on Open Time. Anything similar to that at UPS?
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Wifeís job, credit card, savings. First year was far easier than the furlough.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:30 PM   #3  
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Just got off First yr pay recently myself. Its tough but doable! Save SAve SAVe SAVE! Save as much as possible from now till the day you get the job and then some. Spouse working helps for sure but cutting as many bills as possible is easier than you think. For instance we cut cable out and stream tv for $50 less a month. Managed to get out of First year without any credit card debt while paying for a 300/mth for a crash pad. This was all done on 80k less a year than I made at previous job.
Some fleets offer the opportunity to make a little more money with the international flying as well, so that helps.
Others are more knowledgeable as far as "extra outside flying" but I believe the contract allows it as long as it doesnt effect your rest, or duty days...
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Itís sad, but we actually qualified for government assistance due to the fact that my pay was so low for the size of my family. It was a tough year, but doable if you cut your spending. Cashing out of my sick pay at my former airline helped as well.
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Most of the outside flying is part 91 and that doesn't count towards Part 117. Good thing you have it in your contract. That would be a significant help. Much better than driving Uber or work at Home Depot,although if needed I'd do both.
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Greetings All,

How do you guys make it past the 1st year pay. UPS is a great company but until one gets on second year pay it must be difficult to get by. Does the company allow pilots to flight instruct or do contract flying on a side? I know Southwest gives their new hires a second year pay on all flights picked up on Open Time. Anything similar to that at UPS?
First year pay is what UPS thinks a pilot is worth.

Second and beyond is what our union is worth.

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Most of the outside flying is part 91 and that doesn't count towards Part 117. Good thing you have it in your contract. That would be a significant help. Much better than driving Uber or work at Home Depot,although if needed I'd do both.

Iím pretty sure 117 doesnít apply to cargo operators.
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If you cannot find a way to make it through one year of $50k to more than about $200k second year and beyond, you might be in trouble.
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:42 PM   #9  
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I’m almost through first year pay here. It hasn’t been hard at all. I pay my cc off every month, have no car payments, no student loans, $325 crashpad, and a mortgage payment.
You need to come into this job well prepared financially. Now if you have kids or a wife that doesn’t work then it may be hard. But in reality isn’t $45k the avg income in America?
My first year at my regional only making $23k year with piles of debt was ROUGH.....
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Thanks for the info Gentlemen! How doable is $200K second year? Is that with International flying or can be done on domestic routes?
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