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Quote: Yay for lower wages and worse working conditions?

You’re not very good at trolling.
Yay for free association.
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Quote: Yay for free association.
And freeloading. And “rugged individualists” undercutting union wages by cutting their own deals. I sincerely hope you’re not an airline pilot.
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Quote: And freeloading. And “rugged individualists” undercutting union wages by cutting their own deals. I sincerely hope you’re not an airline pilot.
Market forces did more to raise wages at the regional level that some crappy union ever did.
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Quote: Market forces did more to raise wages at the regional level that some crappy union ever did.
True. But what about the other end? Care to address the premium Netjets pilots make over their peers as referenced in a previous post?

How do you explain the pay at FDX/UPS/SWA and the Big Three?
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Quote: True. But what about the other end? Care to address the premium Netjets pilots make over their peers as referenced in a previous post?

How do you explain the pay at FDX/UPS/SWA and the Big Three?
Free markets? Remember the American Eagle slogan, 80 for 80?
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Quote: Free markets? Remember the American Eagle slogan, 80 for 80?
You've made my point. Pilots will jump over each other to secure a deal for themselves -- like flying an MD80 for $80/hr.
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Quote: Actually no I didn't support Trump. And he was elected by a minority because that's the way the system works as specified in the Constitution. Besides, according to the Constitution the President isn't supposed to have much power at all, so most of the time the Executive should be fairly inconsequential.
And majority rules in the workplace because that *was* what was set by law.

If it’s wrong then it’s wrong across the board. You can’t say it’s BS that a majority decides for everyone in one instance and then accept it in another.
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Members can wear pins non dues paying non-members can't. Non-members can earn a spot on a non-members list. Non-members undergo recurrent checking like everyone else. Your individualism must be sufficiently "rugged" to shrug that off. SC decisions often balance protections of the individual against the will of a majority. They don't guarantee a pleasant work environment.
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Quote: No one should be allowed to leech off a "club" that negotiates pay/work rules.

If a person chooses to decline membership or not pay dues, the union should cut him loose. He will then be at the mercy of his employer in regards to negotiating a compensation package. History shows he will be disappointed. But hey, it's all about "right to work" (for less) so, best of luck to him.
Someone who does not pay union dues not hold membership is not beholden to follow the contract, as the contract exists between the company and the union.

Someone to whom the contract does not apply is not entitled to the protections or agreements afforded a participating party, and technically, the company may offer a non-ptotected employee something outside the scope of the contract. If a nonmember pilot believes he as not received the pay or conditions guaranteed by the contract, the employee has no basis to grieve under the contract, and is not entitled to representation.

The supreme court position, while presently outside the scope of airline operations, cuts both ways. An employee might not be required to join the union or pay dues, but the emoyee is neither protected nor benefitted by the contract or union. He's fair game to the company. That weakens the unions position, creates a double standatd, but may also pit more pressure on unions to do more than represent self interests.
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John,

Hate to disagree, but all members of the bargaining unit must, by law, be represented by their bargaining agent. Just because someone decides not to join the union, they cannot work for terms outside the contract and the company cannot offer employment on terms different than the contract. Either would be an unfair practice.

GF
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