How about this tibit...none of the people I know even filled out an application. They just emailed the recruiter directly and got handed interviews...this was maybe 2 weeks ago. Your mileage may vary!

Have you looked at the difference in 1-2nd year pay at UPS? Or at like every other Airline?
You are making a standard industry practice sound like this very bad thing AAWH is doing.

Yes, a standard practice called Pay for Training, some airlines charge you upfront and some charge you by making you work for it.

Its 1990 all over again. Airlines can pick and choose without any reason.

So I'd argue there's actually some pretty big differences between paying up front and eating low, first year pay. It all comes down to risk and incentives.

"Normal" practice for an airline to screen candidates based on whatever they need. Since they are eating the costs of training the airline or charter company needs to be pretty selective of their candidate. There's real money riding on whether this person is going to make it through training. Of course other factors are at play, but since your chances of making it through training are tied to the airline's cash, your knowledge and skill count for something. The airline has an incentive to select aviators at least in part for their ability to aviate. Airlines make sure their investments are secure. The people around us are safer for this.

PFT has the candidate ante up a large amount of money. The airline has much less invested in whether you make it through training or not. Now those other factors become much more important. Not only do your looks, connections, etc. matter, but your ability to pay for this training also affects whether you will or won't be selected. In this model the airline has much less incentive to select based on ability since the cost of a pilot is low. The people around us are less safe due to this.

So when we look at Atlas' model we approached a PFT-like result without having people pay up front for training. Less money was tied up in our ability to aviate than our ability to fill seats. We fell into a similar trap, only instead of selecting for looks and connections, we selected for whoever would sit down, shut-up and not make trouble. While the airline was investing money in training, the cost of our pilots was low. That meant other incentives prevailed. Now people are dead.

#1 I'm not complaining, i'm making people do maths. Even better i'm explaining exactly WHY atlas is used by some as a 'free' type rating program. They have a simple way to fix the problem, but their management doesn't care to...that means it's cheaper for them to just keep eating the cost of people leaving post-training every once in awhile (i'm sure better now by tons).

#2 2nd yr UPS FO pay is the same as 12th year atlas CA pay....let that sink in

I’m just wanting to get the 777 type and bail ATLAS. 737 type would be nice also for the SWA app.

Nobody is denying that.
Now tell me why the difference between 1st and 2nd year pay is $120k
We’re all listening.

Like i explained before, you are better off just paying for the type out of pocket...it's the same math. If you had a job somewhere else just keep your job and buy the type...

Is it weird that someone who interviewed 6 weeks after me is getting a class date 6 weeks ahead of me on the same type? Surprised it’s not first in first out. Still thankful for my class date and looking forward to it, but it would be nice to have it moved up sooner is all & just curious. Could it be qualifications?